Members Polaris20 Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 How is the Valve King different to the Windsor ... I mean sound wise? Very different. The Valveking is 6L6-based, and has a modern rock vibe to it. It's mid-rangey, but not like a Marshall. The Windsor is a one channel JCM800 knockoff. For those prices, buy both and get a Headbone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members "sasquatch" Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 I haven't messed with Valve Kings too much, but I don't remember them having THAT much more gain than Classics. you must have never pushed the boost button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deuterium Posted April 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Marshall DSL100Carvin LegacyCarvin V3 Hughes & Kettner Switchbladeso yeah you're missing a few amps.. but the VK is a really good amp at its price range Hi Blima: Some great choices...however my cut-off point for this comparison / analysis was $ 1,200. That means I gotta Strike off from your list the Marshall DSL 100, which sells new for $ 1,400....even the DSL 50 is still too high at $ 1,300 Also must Strike off the Hughes & Kettner Switchblade 100 watt head, as it sells new at $ 1,300. However, you are correct with noting the Carvin amps. For the record...the pricing was checked with: MusciansFriend.comZZsounds.comAmericanMusicalSupply.comn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members STEEL KAGE Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hey John!!! Long time no see!!! how are you? Check your PMs..... Kage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deuterium Posted April 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hey John!!! Long time no see!!! how are you? Check your PMs..... Kage Hi Kage !! PM checked and reply sent Everything is well, bro. Hoping you and yours are doing fine. I am a bit under the weather today, and am taking a sick day. So I am just lying in bed checking out the forum, and doing some web surfing. Oh, and I am keeping my three dogs company How are things in the Big Apple ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members STEEL KAGE Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hi Kage !! PM checked and reply sent Everything is well, bro. Hoping you and yours are doing fine. I am a bit under the weather today, and am taking a sick day. So I am just lying in bed checking out the forum, and doing some web surfing. Oh, and I am keeping my three dogs company How are things in the Big Apple ? So far so Good my friend!!! Feel better and we'll catch up Monday!!! KAge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FastRedPonyCar Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 The 1X12 VK is the only one I really thing is worth the $$ but even then, the 60 watt B52 1X12 combo is just a little more if you can haggle the guitar center guys. The Carvin MTS and B52 AT100 2X12 combos though eat the VK for breakfast. You have to put too much $$ into the VK to get it sounding in the same league as them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deuterium Posted April 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 The 1X12 VK is the only one I really thing is worth the $$ but even then, the 60 watt B52 1X12 combo is just a little more if you can haggle the guitar center guys. The Carvin MTS and B52 AT100 2X12 combos though eat the VK for breakfast. You have to put too much $$ into the VK to get it sounding in the same league as them. Well that's just crazy talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Johnny Z Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 You got a good deal on it, test the tubes often and you should get many years of good use out of it. I like the Ruby 6L6's the best and they hold up for a long time, I've had them in my amp over a year and their still going strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stratman61 Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 The 1X12 VK is the only one I really thing is worth the $$ but even then, the 60 watt B52 1X12 combo is just a little more if you can haggle the guitar center guys.The Carvin MTS and B52 AT100 2X12 combos though eat the VK for breakfast. You have to put too much $$ into the VK to get it sounding in the same league as them. I owned the B-52 AT212 and I now own the V/K head and I will not say the B-52 was bad sounding because its a very nice amp(except it will burn your fingers when you touch switches). I do think the V/K sounds better but that is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcooper830 Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 I had the B-52 AT-212 combo and I A/Bd it side by side with my Valve King 212. Just going straight into the amp the B-52 sounded better. But when I put an EQ in the loop of the Valve King I was able to make it sound just as good. So...... with the B-52 getting as hot as the Sun, and with all the reliability horror stories I've heard, and with the fact that it weighed 90 pounds...... I sold it and kept the Valve King. But now I just play my Marshall DSL 100 cause it's my favorite. But I did put the Valve King side by side with the Marshall and I can get it to sound very close (with an EQ in the loop, of course). So I have a GREAT backup with the Valve King 212!! - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stratman61 Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Mine is run thru a XXX cab so that will sure make a difference. I have never heard a V/K 212 but have heard the speakers in them leave something to be desired but I speak on experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcooper830 Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Mine is run thru a XXX cab so that will sure make a difference. I have never heard a V/K 212 but have heard the speakers in them leave something to be desired but I speak on experience. I have a set of Eminence Man-O-War speakers in my VK 212. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riggins Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 I personally hate using an OD or boost in front of an amp that I know I can get natural gain from with a little help. I dropped a 12AT7 in the V1 position and it removed the harshness the gain had when running it past noon. It now has a much more pleasant gain tone that can be rolled off to a pristine clean with different picking dynamics, even running at 3 o'clock. It's about tonally where I used to run my 5150 when I had it, though smoother. It does not have the same kind of gain the 5150 had, but similar. I gigged the 5150 for over 10 years and would say I'm fairly familiar with the differences. Spectacular clean channel compared to the 5150 though. I do love my VK100, overall. Enough to possibly send it off the JerryP for final tweaks when $$$ permits. You payed what I paid for mine from Sam Ash when they where still a fairly new line. I noticed the price increase about xmas time that year after I got mine. Happy new amp day (well, maybe not, but honeymoonin with her still for sure ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FastRedPonyCar Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Well guys, I'm going to retract my comment regarding the VK having poor tone. Apparently the one I have played the last few days has had failing preamp tube(s). The manager noticed last night at closing that the sound was going in and out. He tossed in a full set of JJ's and it woke that amp WAY up. The combo was the one with the regular stock fullly functioning tubes and it became blatantly apparent that the speakers are the weak link when I hooked the head from the VK 4X12 into an marshall 4X12 with V30's. WOW. The amp was just totally different I must admit. I was shocked. And for $400 for the head out the door no less. I still think that the class A mode is useless on the clean channel unless you want zero headroom. Going from the combo to the head/cab diming the gain, hitting the boost, the amp stayed tight and focused but the combo just fell apart. So I don't know if the speakers were to blame or the tubes or a little of both but I've got a hunch it's a little of both. Still woudln't trade it for my V3 but with the right setup, very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hi Blima:Some great choices...however my cut-off point for this comparison / analysis was $ 1,200.That means I gotta Strike off from your list the Marshall DSL 100, which sells new for $ 1,400....even the DSL 50 is still too high at $ 1,300Also must Strike off the Hughes & Kettner Switchblade 100 watt head, as it sells new at $ 1,300.However, you are correct with noting the Carvin amps.For the record...the pricing was checked with:MusciansFriend.comZZsounds.comAmericanMusicalSupply.comn I hear you, but the price for the VK at these same retailers is around $530. So I think they would qualify as costing 3x more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deuterium Posted April 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 I hear you, but the price for the VK at these same retailers is around $530. So I think they would qualify as costing 3x more. Yeah, you are right. I was going by the special price I had received. I stand corrected. I should have originally stated that the ValveKing is an amp that can run with other amps costing twice as much, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CincinnatiSi Posted April 7, 2007 Members Share Posted April 7, 2007 I've had my ValveKing 112 for over a year and I'm still diggin' it. Its still stock too. Here's a clip. http://www.box.net/public/6p8c4jy1q6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Polaris20 Posted April 7, 2007 Members Share Posted April 7, 2007 The 1X12 VK is the only one I really thing is worth the $$ but even then, the 60 watt B52 1X12 combo is just a little more if you can haggle the guitar center guys. The Carvin MTS and B52 AT100 2X12 combos though eat the VK for breakfast. You have to put too much $$ into the VK to get it sounding in the same league as them. huh? The gain on the MTS sucks, and the B-52 is nothing special. A $400 head and a $300 cab is a lot of money to put into the VK? It's close to being the same price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MattSkibaIsGOD Posted April 7, 2007 Members Share Posted April 7, 2007 I am a big fan of the valveking series. Congrats on a killer deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nathanisking Posted April 15, 2007 Members Share Posted April 15, 2007 I got a 212 myself, for the price I paied blows everything else out of the water. It does what I want but Im seriously looking into getting a head/cabinet configuration in the near futur maybe a Marshall DSL 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dcooper830 Posted April 15, 2007 Members Share Posted April 15, 2007 I got a 212 myself, for the price I paied blows everything else out of the water. It does what I want but Im seriously looking into getting a head/cabinet configuration in the near futur maybe a Marshall DSL 100 I just wanna say....... I have the Valve King 212. And I have a Marshall DSL 100 and 2x12 cabinet. I like the Marshall much better. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Deuterium Posted April 15, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 15, 2007 I just wanna say....... I have the Valve King 212.And I have a Marshall DSL 100 and 2x12 cabinet.I like the Marshall much better. You do realize that a new Marshall DSL 100 head with a new 2 x 12 cabinet would cost you almost THREE TIMES as much as the Valve King. I am pretty sure I might like a Fuchs ODS better than a Marshall DSL 100...but I wouldn't spend $ 3,000+ on an amp, no matter how great it sounded. And that's just my opinion, of course. The point is....I don't understand your point of comparing the Valve King to a Marshall DSL 100 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ruger270man Posted April 15, 2007 Members Share Posted April 15, 2007 Could you do us a favour? Chuck a high-gain distortion pedal in front and tell me how it sounds? Considering one as a stand-in until I get a decent amp again. the valveking IS a decent amp, and more. oh wait, its not BOOOOOTEEEEK $44000 handmade sorry, I forgot. carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ramblin390 Posted April 16, 2007 Members Share Posted April 16, 2007 I just wanna say....... I have the Valve King 212.And I have a Marshall DSL 100 and 2x12 cabinet.I like the Marshall much better. - I like your classic 30 clips the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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