Members petejt Posted February 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2008 Check out the October 2006 Guitar World magazine (p.66)...there's an interview with Scholz. Cool. Is there anywhere where I can get back issues of Guitar World magazine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted February 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 5, 2008 +1...and the Rockman stereo echo is legendary as well.People are starting to forget just how revolutionary the Rockman stuff was. At the the time I'm not sure there were even any amps with effects loops, let a alone a device that sounded pretty damn good on headphones or plugged into a board. The Hughes and Kettner Redbox may have been available but that's just about it. That's what I am starting to learn, and marvel at. After all this Line6 {censored} that has plagued the music world, making out that they're revolutionary, go back almost 20 years and one of the first modelling & headphone amps is probably one of the best, if not the best (even though fairly simple), of its kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Elric Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 After all this Line6 {censored} that has plagued the music world, making out that they're revolutionary, go back almost 20 years and one of the first modelling & headphone amps is probably one of the best, if not the best (even though fairly simple), of its kind. From a technological standpoint how the digital modelers work and how an analog box like a Rockman or Sansamp works is.... (wait for it) ..... quite different. I think the digital modeling guys can make some claim to being an extremely important evolutionary step in the art and science of rig modeling if not an outright revolution due to the development of the technology employed if nothing else. Go listen to one of the modern amp plug-ins like Revalver Mk2/3 or Amplitube 2. I had the original Rockman back in the day and, really, it was basically a two trick pony. And, honestly, by modern standards: It sucked ass. Don't get my wrong it was nice to have at the time and, like a pignose, it's amazing how much you can do with one when it's all you have and/or you're inspired; but that's more of a testament to the the talent and ingenuity of the users rather than the device. I think you're looking back with rose colored glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sun Devil Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 Read guys ... He used the lead pup on his Gold Tops. They were not P90sI agree; sure sounds like it!Just to clairify a bit: way back when in an interview, Scholz mentioned using an LP with p-90's...with very little detail forthcoming.It could have been a red herring. Or perhaps he used it on one song. In later interviews, he talks about dropping DiMarzios in an LP,which sounds closer to the truth.Ditto for Blly Gibbons & Co. There was a long article in GP years ago about how they recorded one of their albums. One of the studio tricks they mentioned was mixing a Marshall with a Rockman for ambience......Twenty some odd years later, some that were involved claim: "There was no Rockman on those 80's albums - it never happened!" What can I say? The drugs were a LOT stronger back then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted February 6, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 From a technological standpoint how the digital modelers work and how an analog box like a Rockman or Sansamp works is.... (wait for it) ..... quite different. I think the digital modeling guys can make some claim to being an extremely important evolutionary step in the art and science of rig modeling if not an outright revolution due to the development of the technology employed if nothing else. Go listen to one of the modern amp plug-ins like Revalver Mk2/3 or Amplitube 2.I had the original Rockman back in the day and, really, it was basically a two trick pony. And, honestly, by modern standards: It sucked ass. Don't get my wrong it was nice to have at the time and, like a pignose, it's amazing how much you can do with one when it's all you have and/or you're inspired; but that's more of a testament to the the talent and ingenuity of the users rather than the device. I think you're looking back with rose colored glasses. I wasn't even born when the Rockman was invented. I reckon the digital modelling that Digitech did in the 1990s was more revolutionary than Line 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members XTC in Cumming Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 Cool. Is there anywhere where I can get back issues of Guitar World magazine? Check PM's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nick fury Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 I wasn't even born when the Rockman was invented.I reckon the digital modelling that Digitech did in the 1990s was more revolutionary than Line 6. Not really... have you actually heard the Digitech, or any other 'modeling' from back then? Line 6, and maybe Johnson, made the first such devices that didn't make you want to stab yourself in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 I found this on YouTube, cool stuff [YOUTUBE]bURBfRunr6s[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jaytee123 Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 Yup,ZZ used it for Eliminator,too,as well as Knopfler on "Money For Nuthin'",I "think"...prolly lots of others,too...Just think Marshall w/lots of 500 Hertz in the EQ. Eliminator was a Legend amp. Afterburner was the Rockman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 Eliminator was a Legend amp. Afterburner was the RockmanI love the tone on Eliminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted September 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Just to update this thread, who here currently uses any Rockman gear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted September 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Just to update this thread, who here currently uses any Rockman gear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jbird Posted September 7, 2008 Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Just to clairify a bit: way back when in an interview, Scholz mentioned using an LP with p-90's...with very little detail forthcoming.I remember seeing pics of Scholz on stage with a goldtop Les Paul w/P-90s....I believe it was on the Don't Look Back album pics, the old LP cover opened up, had a few pics of the band playing on stage, etc... I could be wrong but I think thats where I saw 'em Also, I remember reading in Guitar For The Practicing Musician that Yngwie mainly used a Rockman when he recorded Alcatrazz' No Parole From Rock And Roll, but that his Marshalls were used in some spots as well. Any truth to this? Or myth as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted September 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 I remember seeing pics of Scholz on stage with a goldtop Les Paul w/P-90s....I believe it was on the Don't Look Back album pics, the old LP cover opened up, had a few pics of the band playing on stage, etc... I could be wrong but I think thats where I saw 'em Also, I remember reading in Guitar For The Practicing Musician that Yngwie mainly used a Rockman when he recorded Alcatrazz' No Parole From Rock And Roll, but that his Marshalls were used in some spots as well. Any truth to this? Or myth as well? That's interesting. I thought Yngwie was purely a Marshall guy?Anyway, here's Boston[YOUTUBE]KiOqHLVxZvA[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stymye Posted September 7, 2008 Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 you can run a rockman into a marshall.and many people have the key to sholtz sound is >lots of compression. actually barry goudreau was every bit as important to the boston sound as anything. he did most of the key solos, people think sholtz was the main guitarist actually he stayed back more in the rythem pocket... check out any of the live videos on youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kissmyace Posted September 7, 2008 Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Saw them a couple of weeks ago. Still great, ton of gear behind him. Micheal Sweet on lead vocals(& playing) was awesome. Some other guy off u tube,sang also, but was a brad imitator. He was so so.Pedal board malfunctioned during show. Had to wait 10 minutes or so before they did another song. Scholz was pretty funny guy - said don't worry, won't take but 30 minutes to fix this, but didn't take long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted September 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 I found some cool info regarding the Boston sound. # "de-Bostonize" a Rockman - cut 500Hz# "Bostonize" a Marshall - boost 400Hz, 800Hz and 3.2kHz, peak at 800Hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cap'n'crunch Posted September 7, 2008 Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Just to update this thread, who here currently uses any Rockman gear?Man I can't get enough of your avatar.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members charveldan Posted September 7, 2008 Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 As stated Tom Scholtz created one of the first atteuators called the "Power Soak" and used it on a variety of non MV Marshalls on the first couple albums, Billy Gibbons used "Legend" amps on "Eliminator" then went to "Jakes Rio Grande Amps" so i've been told [i'd have to see it to believe it.] Satch used a Rockman on some of "Surfing with the Alien." and Def Leppard used Rockmans to record "Hysteria":cop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members inkblot Posted September 7, 2008 Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 I remember seeing pics of Scholz on stage with a goldtop Les Paul w/P-90s....I believe it was on the Don't Look Back album pics, the old LP cover opened up, had a few pics of the band playing on stage, etc... I could be wrong but I think thats where I saw 'em The Mighty Mouse LP was originally a P90 guitar but Scholz had shoved a Super Distortion in the bridge by the time he recorded anything, I'm pretty sure.I don't use any Rockman ATM but I've wanted a Sustainor for a while, they are pretty cheap on the bay so I may pick one up sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Baron55 Posted September 7, 2008 Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Satch defineatley used a Rockman on Surfin, you can here it, especially on the clean stuff. Also Lynch used the Rockman on the Under Lock and key Album, I believe he ran it into his Marshall's and other amps. I remember him saying that the studio had all these high end amps, and he couldn't get the sound he wanted. SO he hooked up his rockman with other pedals which was pretty noisy. He said the producer, was really skeptical on how it would sound, but relented, because it did sound good. Most guys who used Rockmans didn't use them direct, they had them run in the front end of amps or as ambiance. But you can really here the Rockman influence on Under Lock and Key and Surfin with the Alien. "Always with you always with me" is big time rockman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted September 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Saw them a couple of weeks ago. Still great, ton of gear behind him. Micheal Sweet on lead vocals(& playing) was awesome. Some other guy off u tube, sang also, but was a brad imitator. He was so so. Pedal board malfunctioned during show. Had to wait 10 minutes or so before they did another song. Scholz was pretty funny guy - said don't worry, won't take but 30 minutes to fix this, but didn't take long sounds like it was a cool gig I hope Boston come to Australia soon. I'd get Tom to autograph my Rockman Stereo Chorus/Delay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted September 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Man I can't get enough of your avatar.... thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BerkleeBill Posted September 7, 2008 Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Mutt Lange found favor using these with Def Leppard on the Hysteria album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BerkleeBill Posted September 7, 2008 Members Share Posted September 7, 2008 Also, I remember reading in Guitar For The Practicing Musician that Yngwie mainly used a Rockman when he recorded Alcatrazz' No Parole From Rock And Roll, but that his Marshalls were used in some spots as well. Any truth to this? Or myth as well? For clarity, Yngwie played through a rockman for "scratch tracks" while the band recorded other parts (bass, drums, keys). He then went back in and recorded the REAL guitar parts using 2 50wt stacks. I like Ynqwie's sound on No Parole... It was "cleaner" sounding than what he went with on Rising Force. I think the old Dimarzio FS-1 pickups and added compression helped this quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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