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My friend has a amp with 4, 8, and 16 ohm selectores and 8 ohm cab, he had the amp set to 16 ohms going into the 8 ohm setting of the cab. he said the amp didnt sound quite right. I put it into the proper setting, 8 ohm selector from head into the 8ohm mono jack on the cab.

 

would this have damaged his output transformer? the amp works fine but he is worried that he might have prematurely damaged it and is afraid it might break early on him or have problems.

 

anything to worry about?

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My friend has a amp with 4, 8, and 16 ohm selectores and 8 ohm cab, he had the amp set to 16 ohms going into the 8 ohm setting of the cab. he said the amp didnt sound quite right. I put it into the proper setting, 8 ohm selector from head into the 8ohm mono jack on the cab.


would this have damaged his output transformer? the amp works fine but he is worried that he might have prematurely damaged it and is afraid it might break early on him or have problems.


anything to worry about?

 

There's not too much in between with this stuff man, either it blew up or it's fine. Tube amps are not really as susceptible to damage by impedience mismatches as some will have you believe..

As long as he doesnt make a habit of it, the amp will be fine

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There's not too much in between with this stuff man, either it blew up or it's fine. Tube amps are not really as susceptible to damage by impedience mismatches as some will have you believe..

As long as he doesnt make a habit of it, the amp will be fine

 

thank you wise one.:)

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actually no, but it's still OK.


amp on 8 ohms into a 16 ohm cab is OK.
:thu:

 

Either way is usually OK as long as it's within one setting (16 into 8, 8 into 4, etc), but there is no hard/fast rule on what is and is not OK. It depends on the OT.

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so are Mesa amps different from all other amps? Every Mesa manual lists using a higher impedance cab with a lower amp setting as a safe mismatch, while running a smaller impedance cab than the head setting is an unsafe mismatch. It explains that the OT pushes less current with a safe mismatch, and as a result, the tranny runs cooler which darkens the tone slightly. It works out mathematically too, power loss in either direction with a matching OT, but less current with a higher impedance cab.

 

Why is the general consensus around here that running a lower impedance cab than the amp is set at is a "safe mismatch?" Are Mesa amp circuits just built different than everything else?

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Run the amp and cab matched or you risk damage, period end.

 

Nobody can predict if or when you will have a problem or how extensive the damage will be, but the likelyhood is very real if you choose to run it any other way than it was designed.

 

Running one way or the other doesn't matter, both are bad.

 

An output transformer can arc inside and still work. It doesn't have to have no output to be damaged. Flyback voltages will cause the B+ voltage to climb extremely high and many times will cause the OT to arc inside and cause power tubes to short between pins 2 & 3. Once the OT arcs inside it will usually work at low levels, but when pushed it will blow fuses and arc over tubes.

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Run the amp and cab matched or you risk damage, period end.


Nobody can predict if or when you will have a problem or how extensive the damage will be, but the likelyhood is very real if you choose to run it any other way than it was designed.


Running one way or the other doesn't matter, both are bad.


An output transformer can arc inside and still work. It doesn't have to have no output to be damaged. Flyback voltages will cause the B+ voltage to climb extremely high and many times will cause the OT to arc inside and cause power tubes to short between pins 2 & 3. Once the OT arcs inside it will usually work at low levels, but when pushed it will blow fuses and arc over tubes.

Jerry

 

 

Will the amp sound different if the OT arcs? and way of telling whether or not this happened?

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Will the amp sound different if the OT arcs? and way of telling whether or not this happened?

 

 

 

If the amp isn't blowing fuses at high volumes or having low output and sounding like a fuzz box I would say you're OK.

Jerry

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Run the amp and cab matched or you risk damage, period end.


Nobody can predict if or when you will have a problem or how extensive the damage will be, but the likelyhood is very real if you choose to run it any other way than it was designed.


Running one way or the other doesn't matter, both are bad.


An output transformer can arc inside and still work. It doesn't have to have no output to be damaged. Flyback voltages will cause the B+ voltage to climb extremely high and many times will cause the OT to arc inside and cause power tubes to short between pins 2 & 3. Once the OT arcs inside it will usually work at low levels, but when pushed it will blow fuses and arc over tubes.

Jerry

thanks Jerry, I've been wondering about this for a while too. :thu:

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