Is rack gear the next "vintage" trend?

[ReckedTrek]

....this is fun! keep posting you guys... it's a slow night in sports around here.

[Zachman]

Maybe you should go back and read again:lol: As for the resume, Im not giving one, or dropping names, you are. Thanks dad!

You're welcome son You also aren't addressing the points that I've made. Not that I'd expect you to.

If you want to hold fast to the idea that rack processors have no place in a live or studio rig, and that guys like Mike Landau and LOTS of others don't use what they ARE currently using in the studio, no problem. It doesn't affect me. I am just fine, and happy being able to do what I want with my gear, and hope that others are able to do the same with theirs. If guitar straight to an amp is what their requirement is, GREAT! If, a small setup with a few pedals or a massive pedal board does it GREAT! If it's a small rack rig w/ a preamp, power amp, and a processor or not, GREAT! IF it's a huge setup, Fine.

You are the one who seems intent to dismiss the use of certain tools for applications that others have, Not me.

I use MANY setups ranging from an acoustic, to electric to a combo and a few pedals, to a pedal board, to using a stereo rig, W/D/W, WD/D/WD multi-amp rig. I would rather have more and not need it, then want more and not have it. My big rig isn't about need, it's about want, and bottom line, it does everything I want it to do. (Which includes the stuff my simple rigs do and more...) Just saying

[Zachman]

This whole argument could have been avoided if you hadnt said that huge racks are dying out and you hadnt spewed the typical "compensation" argument.

+100000000000000000

[fantastico]

i wish rack stuff would come back so prices would go down and i could get some rack gear for myself.i wish i had been alive in the 80's.

[ReckedTrek]

Yes, Its a fad that will eventually die off.. Im sure some of the older crowd will keep their stuff, and those that use a {censored} load of chorus sounding stuff will hang on for as long as possible. But it is for sure a dying breed at this point.

1- If rack gear hasn't "died off yet" it's not going to...
2- you're 37. You ARE apart of the older crowd. You just haven't accepted it yet.
3- Why do people assume rack gear = a "{censored} load of chorus sounding stuff "

Here's a novel idea... use whatever works for you. If a JCM800 and a wah covers it, great. But don't be a d0ucheb@g and say a guy has a small d1ck or can't play because he's using an effects rack to get what he wants. Is it that hard to figure out?

[DyeMusica]

You are the one who seems intent to dismiss the use of certain tools for applications that others have, Not me.

 

 

More names, yet no clips pops.

 

I do not dismiss the racks themselves, as much as I dismiss the 32 space racks filled, and not being used.

A good player can make anything sound good, and if he wants to use a 32 space, and USE it, then so be it.

 

The fact is, those that roll with the largest racks possible, and dont use them, have become a dying breed, FACT.

In the 80s and late 90s you used to see this alot, you dont see it anymore. The rack rigs you do see are smart, smaller, and arent for show.

 

Unless you spend time at the casino listening to some guy with a eletrical tape stipped guitar try to rehash van halen tunes with waaaaay too much chorus chances are you wont see the monster racks of old...

[Jakem]

It seems like prices on older rack gear are climbing.

Prices up? I think all the gear prices are going / have gone up now that people use ebay etc a lot. Americans are affected by cheap USD so that's causing lots of peaks in prices.

Vintage trend? I don't think so. There'll always be studios who use rack gear and guitarists who want to get very very tweakable, easily controllable and powerful rig.

[DyeMusica]

1- If rack gear hasn't "died off yet" it's not going to... 2- you're 37. You ARE apart of the older crowd. You just haven't accepted it yet. 3- Why do people assume rack gear = a "{censored} load of chorus sounding stuff " Here's a novel idea... use whatever works for you. If a JCM800 and a wah covers it, great. But don't be a d0ucheb@g and say a guy has a small d1ck or can't play because he's using an effects rack to get what he wants. Is it that hard to figure out?

1 it is.
2 I am.
3 because all zachs clips are just that.

I can say that zach over compensates for other parts of his life with rack setups to get the ONE sound, the same way he says that if you dont like racks its because you dont know how to use them, get it?

[Zachman]

More names, yet no clips pops. I do not dismiss the racks themselves, as much as I dismiss the 32 space racks filled, and not being used. A good player can make anything sound good, and if he wants to use a 32 space, and USE it, then so be it. The fact is, those that roll with the largest racks possible, and dont use them, have become a dying breed, FACT. In the 80s and late 90s you used to see this alot, you dont see it anymore. The rack rigs you do see are smart, smaller, and arent for show. Unless you spend time at the casino listening to some guy with a eletrical tape stipped guitar try to rehash van halen tunes with waaaaay too much chorus chances are you wont see the monster racks of old...

 

 

More baiting, and passive aggressive (untrue) comments from someone who's apparently having the need to I dunno, argue for arguments sake.

 

I would argue that the sheer number of players that are around today are in the younger demographic, hence the skewed result of the observed "casino" gigs rigs that you apparently hang around at, show you.

[guitarman967]

Why are there so many dumb{censored}s who can program a rack around here?

[ReckedTrek]

get it?

Get it? Get it?!!

Get over yourself. You're not that important, even though you must think you are.

[Zachman]

1 it is. 2 I am. 3 because all zachs clips are just that. I can say that zach over compensates for other parts of his life with rack setups to get the ONE sound, the same way he says that if you dont like racks its because you dont know how to use them, get it?

 

 

That isn't what I said. I said that those who make comments like racks are whack, are speaking more about their creativity and foresight at what they would be able to do with those types of tools.

[guitarman967]

Yes, Its a fad that will eventually die off.. Im sure some of the older crowd will keep their stuff, and those that use a {censored} load of chorus sounding stuff will hang on for as long as possible. But it is for sure a dying breed at this point.

 

 

You couldnt be more wrong actually.. Maybe you should get out of the basement and play with some people with real musical vision and the desire (and money) for the rigs they choose to achieve their goals.. Its not a guitar into marshall I can tell you that:thu:

[Zachman]

Why are there so many dumb{censored}s who can't program a rack around here?

 

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Why are there so many dumb{censored}s who can't understand that knowing how to program, and properly utilize a rack, is a good thing, around here- and that no one is saying that it's a requirement, rather an option?

[Zachman]

You couldnt be more wrong actually.. Maybe you should get out of the basement and play with some people with real musical vision and the desire (and money) for the rigs they choose to achieve their goals.. Its not a guitar into marshall I can tell you that:thu:

He'll likely say something to make himself look like a bigger tool and choose to conveniently ignore the points made here.

[DyeMusica]

He'll likely say something to make himself look like a bigger tool and choose to conveniently ignore the points made here.

I did notice your ultra pro website is down, thats to bad, I wanted to check out some more of your killer skill making that giant rack sound soooooooo different.
:lol::lol::lol:

I havent, and am not trying to prove a point, other than the words of yours that prove my point.
The thread asked a question, I answered it, you are the one fighting the best you can, to make your point.
There are many who can use racks to do almost anything, but the days of giant racks that do nothing but blink lights, and sound exactly the same, are over.
Like yours.

[DyeMusica]

You couldnt be more wrong actually.. Maybe you should get out of the basement and play with some people with real musical vision and the desire (and money) for the rigs they choose to achieve their goals.. Its not a guitar into marshall I can tell you that:thu:

 

 

Read the thread emo, I dont play in a basement at all.

In reality, I dont really even play my electric rig unless Im gigging, which is at least once a week. It sits in my van or in my studio.

 

I also run sound at one of the largest venues in Phoenix for the last two months, all kinds of nationals, from country to metal, and the ones that came through with giant racks can be counted on one hand.

Perhaps you should rethink your statement, Im not a kid, and Im not in the basement, and the amount of mesa's, marshall's and other tube amps compared to racks isnt even a contest is what I see everynight.

 

Im not dogging racks, but in reality, there are more tube heads out there on the road than racks, its just the way it is, doesnt mean tube heads are better, but the people who build monster racks are dying off, fact.

[Zachman]

I did notice your ultra pro website is down, thats to bad, I wanted to check out some more of your killer skill making that giant rack sound soooooooo different. :lol: :lol: :lol: I havent, and am not trying to prove a point, other than the words of yours that prove my point. The thread asked a question, I answered it, you are the one fighting the best you can, to make your point. There are many who can use racks to do almost anything, but the days of giant racks that do nothing but blink lights, and sound exactly the same, are over. Like yours.

 

There are NO clips of mine using my rack putting it through it's paces, if you will. Only the walk through video that I posted of Bradshaw explaining how it works. Even when my website was up, there was only one clip of the rack before I updated it.

 

Here is one of my Fuchs ODS:

 

http://www.netmusicians.org/files/67-saxfuchs.mp3

 

Here is a clip of my MKIII Coliseum:

 

http://www.netmusicians.org/files/92-01%20Zach%20movie%20weirdness%20legato.mp3

 

Here is one of the previous rig (MKIII Coliseum, TC 2290, Intellifex, Lexicon PCM-80) Done to show that the MKIII can go from crunch to clean, just fine.

 

http://www.netmusicians.org/files/14-whitesnake_Mark_III.mp3

[DyeMusica]

Get it? Get it?!! Get over yourself. You're not that important, even though you must think you are.

You asked a question stupid, I did as well, Im a 37 year old studio/original musician who works as a soundguy five nights a week and does contract securitywork overseas when the bids come in, I have no doubts at all that Im a nobody, never said I was anything but.
There is nothing to get over.

No name dropping, Im not telling you I know whats best for you.
The thread asked a question, I answered it from a fair vantage point seeing national bands at least three nights a week, not counting my own gigs.

[DyeMusica]

There are NO clips of mine using my rack putting it through it's paces.

I know. But you are the first to tell us that its all about being a pro, and having the ability to use racks as a tool.
So I take it you dont the tool as much as you let on huh?
That was the point from the get.
:poke:



As for the tube amp clips, there is no way in any shape or form I would post a negative word on the fuchs or the mIII C. Both are awesome amps.

But this isnt what this thread is about is it?


Why did you edit the thread to remove the bradshaw vid?
lol/

[Zachman]

I know. But you are the first to tell us that its all about being a pro, and having the ability to use racks as a tool. So I take it you dont the tool as much as you let on huh? That was the point from the get. :poke: As for the tube amp clips, there is no way in any shape or form I would post a negative word on the fuchs or the mIII C. Both are awesome amps. But this isnt what this thread is about is it? Why did you edit the thread to remove the bradshaw vid? lol/[

 

When I do session work for clients... I go in, do my job and leave. I don't hang around and wait for a CD of the session. Usually I am working with basic tracks. You're a "REAL" session guy, I'm surprised you indicate that I should have clips of these sessions.

 

I am not saying it's about being a pro, YOU are saying, I say that. (This isn't so) I AM saying it's about using gear as tools, and not limiting one's tools on principal, as some do.

 

the 3rd clip I am using my rack... granted it's only recorded on a Roland VS880

 

I didn't remove the bradshaw rig:

 

Here it is... Amp tones, and gain set flat at 12 o'clock

 

[YOUTUBE]ggixAf-eouk&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

 

 

Bottom line as I see it, Some guys get it, and some guys don't, and some don't want to get it. Anyone that would argue that a DD2 sounds like a TC 2290 needs their hearing checked. IF you are going for a certain effect, sound or affect, and a level of control for a rather complex array of processors (pedal, rack, or combination of both), amp tones (using multiple amps for instance) options vary, and the more specific one's requirements are, the less available options tend to be. If your needs don't necessitate a big rig, FINE. Mine certainly Don't most of the time. BUT... the big rig ALWAYS sounds better, and performs with way more features available, flexibility, and provides the means to control it all to my satisfaction.

 

 

 

The explanation of how it's wired, how it works and why:

 

[YOUTUBE]CdHwhMzJbeo&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

[DyeMusica]

You're a "REAL" session guy, I'm surprised you indicate that I should have clips of these sessions.

Sure buddy:rolleyes:

Real hired gun huh?:lol::lol:


You can bet your ass when I do a national label recording, I keep a copy of the finished work, as it has my name on it, and to get bigger and better studio work, having your name mentioned is obviously very important.
Its part of ones resume, and ones legacy as a studio musician, Hell I even keep the local bands that I sit in on in the studio.
I suppose there are just toooooo many major national acts recording in Hawaii to even keep up with all the work though huh?

lol.

[Valtiel]

Sure buddy:rolleyes: Real hired gun huh? :lol: :lol: You can bet your ass when I do a national label recording, I keep a copy of the finished work, as it has my name on it, and to get bigger and better studio work, having your name mentioned is obviously very important. Its part of ones resume, and ones legacy as a studio musician, Hell I even keep the local bands that I sit in on in the studio. I suppose there are just toooooo many major national acts recording in Hawaii to even keep up with all the work though huh? lol.

Do you get paid extra for being a condescending douche bag or is that a free service you provide? :rolleyes:

[DyeMusica]

Do you get paid extra for being a condescending douche bag or is that a free service you provide? :rolleyes:

I apoligize if I seem so to you, It is not the desired effect.

[Zachman]

Sure buddy:rolleyes: Real hired gun huh? :lol: :lol: You can bet your ass when I do a national label recording, I keep a copy of the finished work, as it has my name on it, and to get bigger and better studio work, having your name mentioned is obviously very important. Its part of ones resume, and ones legacy as a studio musician, Hell I even keep the local bands that I sit in on in the studio. I suppose there are just toooooo many major national acts recording in Hawaii to even keep up with all the work though huh? lol.

 

No, session work in Hawaii isn't like it was when I was in LA... I like not having to do session work to pay bills anymore, though I do still do some stuff here, and enjoy it. I like it now that I can live here and enjoy playing when I feel like it. And... having the gear of my dreams makes playing quite enjoyable. I think the point for bringing up session work in the first place was to illustrate one of the "Pro's" of using rack gear as a consideration when designing and building a setup, and to give an example of a real world application.

 

What National acts do you do session work for? Clips?