Members Say Ocean Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Obviously it's going to change recording to recording, situation to situation, but what have you done for your favorite tones you've recorded and all that? Do you use a ribbon mic? Do generally pull your sm57 a few inches back from the grill? Use a room mic? etc.? Clips too I'm fed up with how my mic'ing always leads to thin gritty tones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sixtonoize Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 With a mic. That's about as general as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcr23 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 does want to know. Mine sounds fizzy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newholland Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 park a 57 about 2" in from the outer edge of the suspension of the cone pointing toward the dustcap at about 45 degrees. usually works for me. move it in or out depending on your need for low end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boatshoes Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 ask thinkpad...look at his little recording tutorial on his sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Say Ocean Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 With a mic. That's about as general as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Say Ocean Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 ask thinkpad...look at his little recording tutorial on his sig.No I know all that... I've done a lot of recording, I'm just trying to perfect my sound or get some new ideas I haven't thought of cause it's annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grayeyes777 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 does want to know. Mine sounds fizzy too. change mics, change guitars, turn down a bit, turn up a bit, go left or dead center....there's no exact science. on a live gig i try to go as center as possible before the fizz to cut through. studio is different though. i like my signal dry going in so i'll throw a towel over the cab and mic to eliminate most of the room bleed.. and from there its just experimenting. a 57 will be kind of harsh so it needs to be placed right. try a 609 or something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dman11 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Check my Instrumental prog myspace in sig for clips . I always start with the mic between the edge and center mic facing directly at the speaker about an inch from the grille. I don't like 45 degree angle some use, I mic it dead on the cone(perpendicular).with a SM57 of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boatshoes Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] covers a bunch of different mic positions and explains a lot. long winded but helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chris_d Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I generally just go the easiest route of jamming a vocal mic right up into the speaker, maybe an inch or two out, located almost centered, but pointing slightly away from the dustcap, sometimes angled even more so that it is nearly perpendicular to the surface of the cone.You have heard my clips, though in none of them but the cleaner ones, have i taken much care to get exactly the sounds i could. Usually i am in too much of a rush to get things down quickly for "so i can remember the part" demo purposes. But even for that type of hit and run mic placement, what i described is not too far off what i usually wind up with, even when i spend more time with the placement and amp settings. -chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eddie Loves You! Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 57 a few inches back from the grill pointing at the edge of the cone and either a large diaphragm condensor or a ribbon mic a few feet back. Adjust for phase according to the room. Find the right balance between the two signals at the mixing stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mavesicles Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 The soundguy just stuck an SM57 in front of my cab, no testing for good spots, nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pioneerprogress Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I'm no recording expert but I keep an eye on our bass player while he's setting stuff up. He's got a drawer full of sm57's we normally use, but on our most recent song it was a 57 about an inch or two from the amp's grill and a condenser mic (don't know what brand) about 1-2 feet back, both run into a presonus firebox and using cubase. Don't have "clips" per se, but http://www.myspace.com/pioneerprogressThe two newer songs, "Lie Awake" and "Detour" were using the firebox. The older songs we had a different interface and were using adobe instead of cubase, so it didn't sound that great. Warning: my guitar parts are miked amp, the other guitar player was using a (very nice) amp sim program, guitar plugged directly into the interface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grayeyes777 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 The soundguy just stuck an SM57 in front of my cab, no testing for good spots, nothing. that's pretty standard. it's up to you to move the mic around and find the sweet spot. usually in a smaller room the pa is only going to have 10 or 20 percent of your signal in it anyway. we guitarists play loud and most of what the crowd hears (or doesn't hear) is your stage volume. this is why sound men ask us to turn down... we then piss and moan and they turn us off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mavesicles Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 that's pretty standard. it's up to you to move the mic around and find the sweet spot. usually in a smaller room the pa is only going to have 10 or 20 percent of your signal in it anyway. we guitarists play loud and most of what the crowd hears (or doesn't hear) is your stage volume. this is why sound men ask us to turn down... we then piss and moan and they turn us off. He's an asshole soundguy though. If I touched it he would say "Hey! What are you doing?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thurston Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 covers a bunch of different mic positions and explains a lot. long winded but helpful. Is it just me or do several of the mic positions look and sound the same? I was surprised at how different the sound was at different distances to the cone though. The out of phase vs in-phase was interesting too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I don't think I've ever used the same mic technique twice. It's like painting everything with the same brushes. I usually start with everything on center and about three inches out, then I move {censored} around from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KCTigerChief Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 IMO (and experience) live micing is completely different than studio mic'ing...and should be left seperate of each other in regards to Jeff's situation. Live mic'ing you are just "supplementing" your amps sound with the PA speakers, but most of your tone is still coming out of your amp (in most bar gigs...outdoor gigs and arena concerts are obviously different)... Micing for recording is trying to get the exact representation of the amp sound in the room, thus requiring much more attention to detail. That said, shut up with the live mic'ing {censored} Jeff, i think the key is to just play around. Watch that video that was posted earlier in the thread, that will give you LOTS of ideas to fool around with. It's going to depend on your setup and room more than anything, so i think you're just gonna need to spend some time moving the mic around. Now get us a gat damn clip with that shiny new interface already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grayeyes777 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 He's an asshole soundguy though. If I touched it he would say "Hey! What are you doing?!"this is also pretty standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sixtonoize Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 The out of phase vs in-phase was interesting too. I like to play with the phase of two mics. In a DAW, it's easy to click/drag one track to adjust the phase relationship of the two mics, from perfectly aligned to completely {censored}ing out of phase. You can get a lot of interesting sounds by messing with the phase relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boatshoes Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I feel like I have actually contributed today on HCAF for once...yay! Seriously though, that video I posted is extremely useful for beginners and even though it says "how to record metal guitar" it can apply to a lot of other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAmazingBlob Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I generally put my SM58 right up against the grill cloth, pointing it straight at where the dust cap meets the cone, then angle it away horizontally about an inch or two. Sounds like this http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=800603&songID=7739764 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sled Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 it depends on the mic but generally the more distortion/gain the closer the mic for that mic type. Dynamics like a 57 or i5 are pretty close and usually end up pointed at the DustCup/Cone thereabouts Ribbons - usually at least 6 to 8 inches back and probably pointed right at the DustCupBlackstar->H75->57RevJr->V30->FatHeadM90->M75->R92 (Blumlein Cong)Princeton reverb->M75->FatHead5150->GS1275 (Mic is either a SM57, i5 or ATM650) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 This thread is relevant to my interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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