Members moonpieface Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 i have the sneaky suspicion they don't care what they put on there...as long as it fills up time. cable/satellite cos. probably going to pay them no matter what to carry their programs. not counting the ad bucks. i need to get in on this tv thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted October 6, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 To a point you are right i agree but i also think there are issues/topics that are picked up and brought to attn way before the mainstream media ever does - The media is supposed to be TOUGH journalists and reporters and alot of times they are not.... ......Thus the vacuum and void is created and they help fill it!! Counterpoint-- if you get enough people to ask if you raped and murder a girl in 1990 and call for your response, in our world of politics and media this gets picked up, legitimized, and eventually responded to. If you do this enough times, sometimes you're right. Often when you are, you've already blown up the myth to such a scale that problems which are endemic are immediately assumed to be systemic. Second point-- when all of your "gap-filling" is on one-side, while calling out "mainstream media" when you've got the largest leadership (and therefore, rule the mainstream), one has to question motives, agenda, and integrity. Beck is rarely right, often insulting, and almost always bordering on crazy. The fact that there is a perceived lack of criticism (certainly not in anything I read, both the biased and unbiased) does not excuse his manipulative nonsense or the people who believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inertiatic_SKS Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 I think all those years of drinking put a dent in his reasoning skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtyBird Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 IMO, watching TV is the stupidest thing anyone could do. Only after believing anything a politician says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 Only after believing anything a politician says. Except Ron Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inertiatic_SKS Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 Except Ron Paul. Except the dude is a paleoconservative nutjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 Except the dude is a paleoconservative nutjob. But...but...states right's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mickaroony Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 Glenn Beck needs to be shot in the {censored}ing face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 Glenn Beck needs to be shot in the {censored}ing face I think he has. Have you SEEN his show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtyBird Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 Except the dude is a paleoconservative nutjob. He's a libertarian. A libertarian influence in Washington would be a pretty good thing to have right now to balance out all the shenanigans going on. Im pertty annoyed with the republicans and the democrats. Neither give a {censored} about what the people want. {censored} em both. And {censored} all the pundits on either side. They're part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 He's a libertarian. A libertarian influence in Washington would be a pretty good thing to have right now to balance out all the shenanigans going on. Im pertty annoyed with the republicans and the democrats. Neither give a {censored} about what the people want. {censored} em both. And {censored} all the pundits on either side. They're part of the problem. There's a reason nobody takes libertarians seriously. Ron Paul is only a small one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 Not that anyone is surprised by this, but I agree 100% with what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 ok, i watched this ( ) and i didn't really see where he made a point. he said lots of stuff, he told us what he thinks some art means, but he didn't make a point...at least not a point that he wanted to make. i heard "rockefeller was a capitalist who supported communism and fascism, which means that capitalists support communism and fascism", which is pretty contrary to the gung ho pro capitalist mentality his viewership is supposed to ascribe to. sometimes i think these guys sit around and make bets with each other about how ludicrous they can be without anyone noticing It is understood that everyone in the educational world touts Rockefeller as the quintessential capitalist. And this is true, he made tons of money in this capitalist society. That being said, even though he used the capitalist system to make tons of cash, he truly sought after the utopian ideals that the Russians were pursuing. So what you heard needs to be heard like this: "rockefeller was a "capitalist" who supported communism and fascism, which means that "capitalists" (such as Rockefeller) support communism and fascism." What Beck intended to get across was that there has been a concerted effort to change this country from it's roots to the utopian world of communism/socialism/socially (monetary) justness. Some people have been calling certain folks a "prime example of a capitalist" when in fact, the "prime example of a capitalist" happened to be a leftist progressive pusher. As illustrated. At least that is my take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SiCkboy78 Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 GB sucks as an actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Say Ocean Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 I would love to see a true debate show/channel where they bring on guests who debate with normal debate rules like you'd see on a college team. Time to present points without being interrupted, rebuttals, etc. etc. And I mean respectable opponents who will lay out facts and the viewers get to decide, rather than bull{censored} like hard ball or o'reilly etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inertiatic_SKS Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 He's a libertarian. A libertarian influence in Washington would be a pretty good thing to have right now to balance out all the shenanigans going on. Im pertty annoyed with the republicans and the democrats. Neither give a {censored} about what the people want. {censored} em both. And {censored} all the pundits on either side. They're part of the problem. Ron Paul is a fiscal libertarian, but the guy is a paleoconservative simply because he is incredibly restrictive when it comes to social issues such as gay rights and abortion. He introduced a bill back in the 2005 legislature that basically outlawed abortion at a federal level, which I would imagine is in direct contradiction with core libertarian values. In all seriousness, though, I do respect the guy for at least appearing to be honest with the American people and not falling in line with most of his Republican colleagues. Now if only there were more Democrats who could do the same and stand for truly progressive values Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 uh...what's not mainstream about fox news? i also seem to remember some people bitching about katie couric being "too tough" on sarah palin... everybody has an agenda of some sort, and you can't eliminate that. if you take something that is said by a "pundit" at face value, you should be sterilized to prevent further deterioration of our gene pool. psycho neocons LOVE fox news because it validates them, just like psycho liberals LOVE MSNBC because it validates them. if you REALLY want to know what's going on in washington, watch C-span Yeah, this and **1776**'s comments as well. I love it when you guys make sense. Part of the problem is that it takes me the better part of any given morning to wade through the horse{censored} Beck et al have stirred up that night- outrage over Obama's speech to kids, or kids singing some {censored}ing song, or death panels, or school clinics enforcing abortions in school, and then I have to wade through the Progressive debunking and response, then the {censored}ing DumbfuCon response to that to finally get to actual news. I have to sift through 6 social media filters, read upwards of 12-16 blog posts, check AP, Rueters and BBC News, and tromp through Twitter, Digg, and Reddit for relevant opinion and links to primary and secondary sources as well as other blogs, which have more links, check a few Con blogs for perspective, head over to my three political forums to see what the people I trust in such matters are saying, all to find out that no actual progress on the National discourse has been made. That's insane. No wonder very few people are informed, finding the information is a {censored}ing nightmare. If I am short with you lot, it's because I do the work, and yet get embroiled in the same arguments. It's not that some of you are always wrong, it's that these arguments are so ridiculous that they never should have ever started. Every political thread is just a troll attempt. And Glenn is the King of Media Trolls. Hey, Goldmann Sachs doesn't give a {censored} about you, or America. Neither does Wal*Mart, Cigna, or BofA. Glenn Beck doesn't {censored}ing care about you or America, nor does Rush, Ann or Bill. {censored}, Rush is such a petty {censored}wad he wants the country to implode just because he hates "anything he isn't" THAT {censored}ING MUCH. And that's where we are. Cheering because Chicago didn't get the Olympics because it makes Obama look bad. Most opinions I come across are absolute rubbish. Even Progressive ones. As a Progressive, I've had it with most Dems and Obama. While they waffle around trying to be all bipartisan with obstructionists that refuse to support anything that might make "their enemies" look good and therefore validate their agenda, the status quo continues, and corporate America stuffs as much cash into it's ass as it can before we wise up. Every society that has been based on hardline rhetoric or a system based on theoretical ideals has failed. EVERY ONE. Without balance and adaptation, you cannot operate in the real world. Greenspanian "Free Market Economics" is just as rigid and as unrealistic as Marxist Socialism. And they are both doomed. I hear more people do nothing but tout their own Utopian horse{censored} all day - be it the Ron Paul "down wif gubbmint!" people, the "Constitutionalists", the "Freedomtarians", the "Green Party", the touchy-feely self esteem and New Age yuppies, PETA people, entitlement addicted minorities, angry White People, the Teabaggers, Christian and Islamic Radicals - it's all the {censored}ing same to me. Overly simplified, easily quoted constructed bull{censored} that has no {censored}ing bearing on reality. Quoting Laws of Motion will not build you a {censored}ing car. I don't have all the answers, not by a long shot. But man, I'm smart enough to know when we're arguing dumb {censored} just to be arguing. And that, ultimately, is Glenn Becks goal. Just as it is here, to be the snarkiest kid on the block, with extreeeeeme statements and smart ass opinions - hey, I love ToS and Ron Burgandy too, but that {censored} just isn't {censored}ing funny anymore. Just as that garbage has killed this forum, Glenn, who has to outcrazy Rush and Coulter, and then gets chased down by Hannity, while Maddow and Olbermann get rich getting all finger pointy (tho Maddow rules, you gotta gimme that), Ole Glenn has done the same thing to political discourse in America. Because some {censored}ing dip{censored} watches 3 hours of Fox (or MSNBC, or really, any single news outlet) and thinks they know more than someone who DOES THE WORK. I may be a pretentious windbag, but I {censored}ing GUARANTEE YOU this would be a better world if more people listened to me than Glenn "Hahaha I think your miscarriage is funny!" Beck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members charveldan Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 He's like the Andy Kaufman of media.:facepalm::facepalm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members missingastring Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 He's like the Andy Kaufman of media. :facepalm: :facepalm: No. Andy Kaufman was funny and talented. He's the Carrot Top of media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 No. Andy Kaufman was funny and talented.He's the Carrot Top of media. Carrot Top is funny and talented. He's like the Dane Cook of media. Or the Carlos Mencia since he steals all his crazy from other talking heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members missingastring Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 Carrot Top is funny and talented. He's like the Dane Cook of media. Or the Carlos Mencia since he steals all his crazy from other talking heads. I agree. Except for the part in bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 I agree. Except for the part in bold. You should catch his act sometime. You'd really be surprised. Srsly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members mhr74 Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 Yeah, this and **1776**'s comments as well. I love it when you guys make sense. Part of the problem is that it takes me the better part of any given morning to wade through the horse{censored} Beck et al have stirred up that night- outrage over Obama's speech to kids, or kids singing some {censored}ing song, or death panels, or school clinics enforcing abortions in school, and then I have to wade through the Progressive debunking and response, then the {censored}ing DumbfuCon response to that to finally get to actual news. I have to sift through 6 social media filters, read upwards of 12-16 blog posts, check AP, Rueters and BBC News, and tromp through Twitter, Digg, and Reddit for relevant opinion and links to primary and secondary sources as well as other blogs, which have more links, check a few Con blogs for perspective, head over to my three political forums to see what the people I trust in such matters are saying, all to find out that no actual progress on the National discourse has been made. That's insane. No wonder very few people are informed, finding the information is a {censored}ing nightmare. If I am short with you lot, it's because I do the work, and yet get embroiled in the same arguments. It's not that some of you are always wrong, it's that these arguments are so ridiculous that they never should have ever started. Every political thread is just a troll attempt. And Glenn is the King of Media Trolls. Hey, Goldmann Sachs doesn't give a {censored} about you, or America. Neither does Wal*Mart, Cigna, or BofA. Glenn Beck doesn't {censored}ing care about you or America, nor does Rush, Ann or Bill. {censored}, Rush is such a petty {censored}wad he wants the country to implode just because he hates "anything he isn't" THAT {censored}ING MUCH. And that's where we are. Cheering because Chicago didn't get the Olympics because it makes Obama look bad. Most opinions I come across are absolute rubbish. Even Progressive ones. As a Progressive, I've had it with most Dems and Obama. While they waffle around trying to be all bipartisan with obstructionists that refuse to support anything that might make "their enemies" look good and therefore validate their agenda, the status quo continues, and corporate America stuffs as much cash into it's ass as it can before we wise up. Every society that has been based on hardline rhetoric or a system based on theoretical ideals has failed. EVERY ONE. Without balance and adaptation, you cannot operate in the real world. Greenspanian "Free Market Economics" is just as rigid and as unrealistic as Marxist Socialism. And they are both doomed. I hear more people do nothing but tout their own Utopian horse{censored} all day - be it the Ron Paul "down wif gubbmint!" people, the "Constitutionalists", the "Freedomtarians", the "Green Party", the touchy-feely self esteem and New Age yuppies, PETA people, entitlement addicted minorities, angry White People, the Teabaggers, Christian and Islamic Radicals - it's all the {censored}ing same to me. Overly simplified, easily quoted constructed bull{censored} that has no {censored}ing bearing on reality. Quoting Laws of Motion will not build you a {censored}ing car. I don't have all the answers, not by a long shot. But man, I'm smart enough to know when we're arguing dumb {censored} just to be arguing. And that, ultimately, is Glenn Becks goal. Just as it is here, to be the snarkiest kid on the block, with extreeeeeme statements and smart ass opinions - hey, I love ToS and Ron Burgandy too, but that {censored} just isn't {censored}ing funny anymore. Just as that garbage has killed this forum, Glenn, who has to outcrazy Rush and Coulter, and then gets chased down by Hannity, while Maddow and Olbermann get rich getting all finger pointy (tho Maddow rules, you gotta gimme that), Ole Glenn has done the same thing to political discourse in America. Because some {censored}ing dip{censored} watches 3 hours of Fox (or MSNBC, or really, any single news outlet) and thinks they know more than someone who DOES THE WORK. I may be a pretentious windbag, but I {censored}ing GUARANTEE YOU this would be a better world if more people listened to me than Glenn "Hahaha I think your miscarriage is funny!" Beck. So much pwn in one post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted October 6, 2009 Members Share Posted October 6, 2009 It is understood that everyone in the educational world touts Rockefeller as the quintessential capitalist. I do see what you're saying, and you do have a point - The struggle is between the extremism of the social ideal of total balance, and the extremism of the economic ideal of maximum profit. One side posits that the purpose of a company is to provide goods, services, and jobs, and one says that companies exist only to extract maximum profit. Personally, I'm a Fordist - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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