The Coming of Glenn Beck was predicted

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50 million? No, I don't think that's remotely the number. Also, there's an objective meaning to the word "socialism", and the reality is that Obama's actions do not match this objective meaning. If this is the case, no matter how many people believe it or why, stating Obama is socialist is delusional, i.e. divorced from reality.

 

 

Sorry I can;t C&C from HERE but if you check it, you can track approval ratings. We, of course need to give pools credibility, and we'd need to assume that questions of "socialism" factor into it. Both are reasonable assumptions, imho, but I understand if you object. If we make a corollary to the whole population, I could see "50 million" being...reasonable. Close? Possibility?

 

 

Also...I'm starting to understand why lefty/libs/dems object to Obama being called a socialist. Not near enough for some people. But still..looking in the dictionary, academic papers and Europe for our measuring stick may seem the correct thing to do....but (and I know yo;re gonna steamroll me on this)...I think PERSPECTIVE should be factored in as well. While it's true we have some socialist tendencies...many people do not want to go much further, whether or not it aligns with the academic DEFINITION or not. It's not always black and white, there are gray areas.

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Air America and the Huff Po are probably the only non-fringe media sources on the left that are on the level of factual distortion perpetrated by the FOX TV and Radio network. The Huff Po is actually one of the most vile places in existance when it comes to Science and Medical news. They are dangerous.

 

Some people would be surprised to know that I go to Huff Po for perusement. I do the same there as I do glenn beck (WDN, Daily Show, ANYWHERE!). I take what makes sense, what I can CONFIRM, and lol at everything else.

 

I think it's delusion to assume people cannot handle and filter these media. You're making huff and beck out to be the most dangerous people on the planet?

 

(I don't mean you as in YOU robot....just you as in whomever.

[***1776***]

There is nothing socialist at all about Obama. Honest intellectual inquiry immediate comes to that result, regardless of what side of the aisle you sit on. No one said there should be no dissent, rather, I'm differentiating between dissent which is healthy and dissent which is dangerous.

 

 

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm makes you wonder

 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/ObamaEconomy/idUSTRE5520GX20090603

 

 

Ill just say goverment is getting its hands and fingerprints in ALOT of places these days, its interesting that he said that

 

 

[Uncle_Milton]

Some people would be surprised to know that I go to Huff Po for perusement. I do the same there as I do glenn beck (WDN, Daily Show, ANYWHERE!). I take what makes sense, what I can CONFIRM, and lol at everything else. I think it's delusion to assume people cannot handle and filter these media. You're making huff and beck out to be the most dangerous people on the planet? (I don't mean you as in YOU robot....just you as in whomever.

 

The number one psychological principal in world view type information is confirmation bias. Read any political psychologists papers, they'll all agree.

 

Additionally, people are very bad at filtering opinion from fact. We tend to accept, even if only subconsciously, whatever positions we hear first, or the most. That you can also look that up to confirm. People are very poor critical thinkers in general, it's not instinctual. Now, overconfidence, that is common.

[JBecker]

 

Sorry I can;t C&C from HERE but if you check it, you can track approval ratings. We, of course need to give pools credibility, and we'd need to assume that questions of "socialism" factor into it. Both are reasonable assumptions, imho, but I understand if you object. If we make a corollary to the whole population, I could see "50 million" being...reasonable. Close? Possibility?

 

I don't think that everyone who is not happy with Obama thinks he's a socialist.

 

Also...I'm starting to understand why lefty/libs/dems object to Obama being called a socialist. Not near enough for some people. But still..looking in the dictionary, academic papers and Europe for our measuring stick may seem the correct thing to do....but (and I know yo;re gonna steamroll me on this)...I think PERSPECTIVE should be factored in as well. While it's true we have some socialist tendencies...many people do not want to go much further, whether or not it aligns with the academic DEFINITION or not. It's not always black and white, there are gray areas.

 

 

It doesn't matter if you think his policies are further to the left than what you want them to be, that doesn't make them socialist. The definition of socialist does not change based on perspective. I can understand why it's convenient and easy to misuse the word, but that doesn't mean that its excusable to use a label that has massive political ramifications.

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SNIP It doesn't matter if you think his policies are further to the left than what you want them to be, that doesn't make them socialist. The definition of socialist does not change based on perspective. I can understand why it's convenient and easy to misuse the word, but that doesn't mean that its excusable to use a label that has massive political ramifications.

 

 

"further to the left"

 

It's also pretty dman convenient and easy to underestimate what even a moderate shift would do. It's typical to stand hard and fast on clinical definitions when it suits us.

 

 

People here are fond of using the "slippery slope" phrase...when it suits them to use it. I find Obama's background very suspicously socialist...is he that as a president? Not quite, because he CAN'T be. He has to stay just enough to the right of far left socialism...or as you so eloquently say "further to the left than what you want them to be"....to keep his job.

 

 

All right fine we get it. Only a clinical diagnosis and definition may be used when referring to OPbama or socialism. An American perspective, and concern for the future, is just {censored}ing bull{censored} {censored}.

 

 

And yes...didn't I already tell you we already have socialist tendencies? We do don't we? So are we socialist....sort of socialist?....not even close? In no way shape or form socialist?

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The number one psychological principal in world view type information is confirmation bias. Read any political psychologists papers, they'll all agree. Additionally, people are very bad at filtering opinion from fact. We tend to accept, even if only subconsciously, whatever positions we hear first, or the most. That you can also look that up to confirm. People are very poor critical thinkers in general, it's not instinctual. Now, overconfidence, that is common.

 

 

So...what ya saying? Am I suppose to confirm my information...not confirm? My judgement to confirm data is very poor, but I'm supposed to have such EXCELLENT decision making that I can find sources that don't need confirming?

 

 

As you can see...you lost me there.

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Politics in general is nothing more than one big jack-off session that never ends, and with no orgasm...

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So...what ya saying? Am I suppose to confirm my information...not confirm? My judgement to confirm data is very poor, but I'm supposed to have such EXCELLENT decision making that I can find sources that don't need confirming? As you can see...you lost me there.

 

 

"In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias is a tendency to search for or interpret new information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions and to irrationally avoid information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs."

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There is nothing socialist at all about Obama. Honest intellectual inquiry immediate comes to that result, regardless of what side of the aisle you sit on. No one said there should be no dissent, rather, I'm differentiating between dissent which is healthy and dissent which is dangerous.

 

Right. And education isn't inundated with liberals.

 

You live in the most warped world one could imagine.

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As for the propaganda school songs, that's not something the Pres is forcing on schools. School teachers etc are doing that on their own. Do I think it's a bad thing? I dont know. Kids didn't do that during FDR or Kennedy days. I'd only guess if that happened during the Reagan admin the {censored} would have hit the fan perhaps harder as fear of indoctrinating the kids.

 

Those elementary kids don't know much but what their teacher tells them. If the school endorses those efforts its up to the parents to make decisions to have their kid opt out. That is difficult though for the kid that sits out. Same thing for all the others that won't say the pledge for whatever reason.

 

Personally, I think Obama Girl is enough for people to youtube over. You don't need kids singing songs of praise for one leader or another.

 

I took issue with local schools that used kids to promote local issues (levy ballots, etc) . For one, they can't vote. Second, it's wrong. If they have a recycle or clean up the earth program, that's fine. That they can participate in. Voting cycle propaganda is something kids should not be basically forced into doing. You don't use kids for propaganda.

[EdMan57]

Right. And education isn't inundated with liberals. You live in the most warped world one could imagine.

 

Without "liberals" we would all be breathing {censored}tier air,driving gas guzzling and less safe vehicles,eating more tainted food,be working 12 hr workdays,etc...Most intelligent people realize that the world,and society at large,have to change and evolve to thrive.Hence,so many "liberals" in education and the arts.Try thinking before making such kneejerk statements about a way of thinking and philosophy that you don't get or understand.I get so damn tired of hearing or seeing the word "liberal" used in such pejorative ways.

 

 

 

 

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Ed...that is so true. And that's why it boggles my mind thatsome people think Repubs are all bad, libs are all bad. I've seen (sausage, I think....some others) want the death of the Repub party. I know that isn;t what you are saying but what I *am* saying is we NEED opposition. Somehow..most of the {censored} has gotten worked out up till now. Seems to be some slippage in the system, and I say it's the increased polarity and lack of tolerance....BOTH SIDES.

[EdMan57]

^ Ed...that is so true. And that's why it boggles my mind thatsome people think Repubs are all bad, libs are all bad. I've seen (sausage, I think....some others) want the death of the Repub party. I know that isn;t what you are saying but what I *am* saying is we NEED opposition. Somehow..most of the {censored} has gotten worked out up till now. Seems to be some slippage in the system, and I say it's the increased polarity and lack of tolerance....BOTH SIDES.

 

 

So true.I really miss intelligent conservative minds like William F Buckley.Though I may have had some basic philosophical differences with Buckley,he almost always presented himself in a well reasoned and intelligent manner.On many occasions,I agreed 100% with what he had to say.Btw,where are the Thomas Jefferson's and John Adam's of today?We sure could use the intelligent discourse.

 

 

 

 

Ed

[JBecker]

 

As for the propaganda school songs, that's not something the Pres is forcing on schools. School teachers etc are doing that on their own. Do I think it's a bad thing? I dont know. Kids didn't do that during FDR or Kennedy days. I'd only guess if that happened during the Reagan admin the {censored} would have hit the fan perhaps harder as fear of indoctrinating the kids.

 

He's referring to the fact that I'm in college. Also, the popular video that Beck showed last year was a part of a president's week play that had songs about every president, the material was sent home to parents first, and no one objected or said a word until Beck covered it and twisted the situation based on an out-of-context video.

 

Also, I know for a fact that it happened during the Eisenhower administration.

 

 

Those elementary kids don't know much but what their teacher tells them. If the school endorses those efforts its up to the parents to make decisions to have their kid opt out. That is difficult though for the kid that sits out. Same thing for all the others that won't say the pledge for whatever reason. Personally, I think Obama Girl is enough for people to youtube over. You don't need kids singing songs of praise for one leader or another. I took issue with local schools that used kids to promote local issues (levy ballots, etc) . For one, they can't vote. Second, it's wrong. If they have a recycle or clean up the earth program, that's fine. That they can participate in. Voting cycle propaganda is something kids should not be basically forced into doing. You don't use kids for propaganda.

 

There are all sorts of issues if we had a system which was rife with teachers doing this kind of thing, however, this is not really the case. Most schools will, at most, give their kids a sticker to remind their parents to vote but make no mention of how one should vote at all. Singing a song about each of the presidents is hardly propaganda.

 

Also, I think it's disgusting that people thought it was propaganda to "Write a letter to the President saying how you can help him make this country better." Everyone, during every administration, at all ages, should be thinking about how to make this country better through their actions. The hysteria over this issue was mind-boggling and inspired by, again, extreme populist rhetoric with little basis in reality riling up everyone. Honestly, I've never heard something so anit-socialist in my life-- asking kids to take individual responsibility for improving our world.

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I dont think the Obama/kids video its the end of the world or propaganda but it is a lil creepy IMO. Im not in love with teachers forcing kids to sing/praise a prez

 

 

I also dont think the ask what can we do for the world 'pep speech' to schoolkids is the end of the world, not sure i want to see it 24/7 but a lil pep talk to start the school year is no biggie imo

 

 

I have a MUCH bigger problem with his budget deficit and $pending/economic policies