Members Inca Roads Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 Diezel Herbert Mesa Dual Rectifier Engl Powerball :lol: Seriously... Soldano SLO Splawn Quickrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 You really see how compressed or uncompressed an amp is on tape (so to speak). That being said, the least compressed amps I've come across is probably the ac-30. It always punches a hole in a track compared to any other amp. That and solid state amps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newholland Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 another vote for a 103-- but hardly 'low fi'... i'd think 'uncompressed' is kinda the hallmark of 'hi fi'! 'course, there's always hideously overpowered solid state, which is the pinnacle of uncompressed AND hifi sounding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tbdmlog Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 Any vintage marshall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members liamlw Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 Any vintage marshall. They still get pretty compressed when the power tubes start breaking up. Certainly not as much as some of the modern amps thats for sure. the dr103 sounds like a great choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tbdmlog Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 They still get pretty compressed when the power tubes start breaking up. Certainly not as much as some of the modern amps thats for sure. the dr103 sounds like a great choice. Loving the Melvins avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mamberg Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 Diezel's VH4 amplifier is heralded as being very hi-fi (?) and compresed-sounding in its nature....Well then, what guitar amp is the reverse of that? UNcompressed? Lo-fi? I would say the opposite of the VH4 would be a Twin Reverb.Very uncompressed (lot's of headroom), and clean is the opposite of distortion.Definitely not lo-fi though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members solarburn Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 I think people confuse saturation with compression. You can have an amp that saturates more or differently when cranked yet still remains uncompressed or open sounding like the Hiwatt's or vintage Marshall's. I like to describe them as open or looser as opposed to tighter or more compressed saturation like say a VHT, VH4 or some of the others mentioned as HIFI. I see way more dynamics out of a amp that is open and looser separate from being flubby. Flubby would be too loose like yo ole' lady. The high gainers that are tight or compressed are not dynamic to me in a general sense although obviously they have there own set of dynamics. Tight and over compressed amps to me are too stiff for my tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dreamspace Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 I dunno, if you by uncompressed mean loose, flubby and untight, you'd probably like a stock Triple Recto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sixtonoize Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 I think people confuse saturation with compression. You can have an amp that saturates more or differently when cranked yet still remains uncompressed or open sounding like the Hiwatt's or vintage Marshall's. I like to describe them as open or looser as opposed to tighter or more compressed saturation like say a VHT, VH4 or some of the others mentioned as HIFI.I see way more dynamics out of a amp that is open and looser separate from being flubby. Flubby would be too loose like yo ole' lady. The high gainers that are tight or compressed are not dynamic to me in a general sense although obviously they have there own set of dynamics. Tight and over compressed amps to me are too stiff for my tastes. Tightness != compression VHT != Diezel Compression != Stiffness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members solarburn Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 Tightness != compressionVHT != DiezelCompression != Stiffness What about his loose ole' lady? When she compresses its tighter... I get it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goldsparkletop Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 Ripped? Like the tone on The Knack's You Really got Me? I think the guitarist ripped his speakers with a razor blade, ala Floyd Pinkerton decaying into a fascist in his mind then doing it to his eyebrows (and nipple ) Time to review your Classic Rock 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cookie Monster Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 VHT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nakedzen Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 Framus Cobra on the crunch channel. Fryettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted October 31, 2009 Members Share Posted October 31, 2009 Id also say Plexi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted November 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 1, 2009 damn I've now confused myself with this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members treedroppings Posted November 1, 2009 Members Share Posted November 1, 2009 Mesa Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members TornadoOfSouls Posted November 1, 2009 Members Share Posted November 1, 2009 Tightness and compression are not one in the same, though I'm tired and might have misunderstood the previous posts. The VH4 is pretty tight but it's not THAT tight of an amp. It's insanely compressed in gained channel 3 and 4... recording it for high gain stuff was a nightmare. Otherwise, it's not that compressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted November 1, 2009 Members Share Posted November 1, 2009 Depends on what you mean by less compressed. Plugging straight into a P.A. will be VERY uncompressed, but that doesn't mean it's gonna sound good. Any amount of distortion will also act as compression; it's just physics...But if you're asking what I think you're asking, for high gain that still retains dynamics, you probably looking at a Marshall or Soldano or the like. Mesas, Engls, Peaveys and Diezels (with the exception of the Einstein) tend to be on the more compressed side. IMO. This. When I read the thread title, I thought of the first meaning and not the second. Opposite of compressed in my mind isn't dynamic, but rather, stiff and dry. An amp which best emulates the sound of an acoustic guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted November 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 1, 2009 I guess then the most 'compressed' amplification device is actually the Scholz R&D Rockman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MRscratch Posted November 1, 2009 Members Share Posted November 1, 2009 am i wrong to say that we need a certain amount of compression in our amps?isnt what creates that overdrive is the inability of a tube to amplify the input further and driving it into saturation? think of that great marshall sag. it cannot supply what is demanded of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thinkpad20 Posted November 1, 2009 Members Share Posted November 1, 2009 am i wrong to say that we need a certain amount of compression in our amps? isnt what creates that overdrive is the inability of a tube to amplify the input further and driving it into saturation? think of that great marshall sag. it cannot supply what is demanded of it! Your English is sketchy but yes, you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nakedzen Posted November 1, 2009 Members Share Posted November 1, 2009 This. When I read the thread title, I thought of the first meaning and not the second. Opposite of compressed in my mind isn't dynamic, but rather, stiff and dry. An amp which best emulates the sound of an acoustic guitar. Compression = loud notes and silent notes all come out of the amp the same volume. In other words your picking dynamics don't make that much of an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thinkpad20 Posted November 1, 2009 Members Share Posted November 1, 2009 Compression = loud notes and silent notes all come out of the amp the same volume. In other words your picking dynamics don't make that much of an impact. Well that's one definition of it, yes. A 100% compressed tone has everything at the same volume (except absolute silence). However, the way distortion works on a waveform is by chopping off the peaks of the amplitude of the input signal - which, when you think about it, is compression, because if it weren't for the distortion (clipping) the wave-form's amplitude would be greater. Hence, you can't have distortion without compression. That was what I meant (and I presume what imgooley meant too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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