Members Filter500 Posted September 28, 2012 Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 Nope: he said single recto.. Read: "any links to vids or clips of a good sounding Recto? boosted?" And I've owned a revision F Dual and a Single Series 2 and they can sound very close with the single being a little brighter and more raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted September 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 Might I suggest trying a Laney GH50L Obviously you're good with what you got and aren't in any real need. I just couldn't help myself. Several of us here recommend the Laney for stout aggressive in amp gain that isn't dark or muddy. I'm not exactly playing metal or anything......it's more of a hardcore, post punk, space rock/metal thing......hard to describe. Actually, I just joined the band, and they have like 2.5 albums of stuff......which is mostly big muff tones..... The other guitar player has a fat fuzzed out tone. The JTM is nice and crunchy and mixes well, but alone or playing under a solo and can sound a little thin. ....which is why I have a Earthbound Supercollider.......cool muff tones, but chuggable. I'll check out the GH50L, I don't think I knew they existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted September 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 Nope:he said single recto.. Yeah, I'm not that particular, but I'm so new to rectos, that I'm curious as to what a good dialed in recto sounds like. It's just so drastically different that maybe my ears are {censored}ing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Cliff Fiscal Posted September 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 Maybe it'll work/sound different in a mix too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike LX-R Posted September 28, 2012 Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 I'm not exactly playing metal or anything......it's more of a hardcore, post punk, space rock/metal thing......hard to describe. Actually, I just joined the band, and they have like 2.5 albums of stuff......which is mostly big muff tones..... The other guitar player has a fat fuzzed out tone. The JTM is nice and crunchy and mixes well, but alone or playing under a solo and can sound a little thin. ....which is why I have a Earthbound Supercollider.......cool muff tones, but chuggable. I'll check out the GH50L, I don't think I knew they existed. I'm not a real metal guy, or "brutal". The Laney is definitely heavy and aggressive enough to get into those genres but it's voicing is just a bit more on the classic side, like a hot rodded Marshall but with a slightly different voicing focused more in the low mids. That particular amp is very versatile for various genres of hard rock/metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Filter500 Posted September 28, 2012 Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 I'm not exactly playing metal or anything......it's more of a hardcore, post punk, space rock/metal thing......hard to describe. Actually, I just joined the band, and they have like 2.5 albums of stuff......which is mostly big muff tones..... The other guitar player has a fat fuzzed out tone. The JTM is nice and crunchy and mixes well, but alone or playing under a solo and can sound a little thin. ....which is why I have a Earthbound Supercollider.......cool muff tones, but chuggable. I'll check out the GH50L, I don't think I knew they existed. It sounds like you already have a rig that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted September 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 It sounds like you already have a rig that works. I do. Just looking to {censored} around, and mess with gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cryptos Posted September 28, 2012 Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 You bought the wrong amp if you want a nice tight distortion. Not trying to be a dick i've been down this road and eventually sold my 3 channel Dual Rec because i just didn't like it. The dist is just to loose particularly on the bottom end . You can make them sound better but you will need a tubescreamer and an EQ for a super tight Megadeth thrash metal tone. Mark series amps are a different matter and are great for anything really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted September 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 You bought the wrong amp if you want a nice tight distortion. Not trying to be a dick i've been down this road and eventually sold my 3 channel Dual Rec because i just didn't like it. The dist is just to loose particularly on the bottom end . You can make them sound better but you will need a tubescreamer and an EQ for a super tight Megadeth thrash metal tone. Mark series amps are a different matter and are great for anything really. It's all good. I don't mind the looseness........even though my other rig is tight. It's the clarity that gets me the most......turn down the gain, and it sounds whimpy......turn up the gain and it sounds badass but a blurry slurry of tone. I have to try greenbacks too.......since I have the option. I think boosting will help a lot. I'm not using hot pickups or anything either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cryptos Posted September 28, 2012 Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 It's all good.I don't mind the looseness........even though my other rig is tight. It's the clarity that gets me the most......turn down the gain, and it sounds whimpy......turn up the gain and it sounds badass but a blurry slurry of tone.I have to try greenbacks too.......since I have the option.I think boosting will help a lot. I'm not using hot pickups or anything either. I think i like the Single's's tone better than a dual rec so boost it with a tubescreamer and it's a great amp just not my favorite. Treat yourself to some new tubes to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Filter500 Posted September 28, 2012 Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 It's all good.I don't mind the looseness........even though my other rig is tight. It's the clarity that gets me the most......turn down the gain, and it sounds whimpy......turn up the gain and it sounds badass but a blurry slurry of tone.I have to try greenbacks too.......since I have the option.I think boosting will help a lot. I'm not using hot pickups or anything either. You've definitely got to boost it. It hit mine with 10db of mid boost from my Radial Switchbone, and then a Maxon OD-808 on top of that. That setup sounded better than a JMP-1/VHT 2/50/2 setup I had for a few days A/B'd against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted September 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 28, 2012 Without a boost, my gain channel is set like this:Presence offBass 9pmMids 3pmTreble offRaw mode with the gain at 2pm That's jamming alone at practice-ish volume, solo mode engaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted September 29, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 29, 2012 I had some EH 6CA7s that I tried, a tung sol AX7 and some old Phillips ax7. The amp had GT EL34s of unknown age, and Mesa preamp tubes. Russian 1s, whatever that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike LX-R Posted September 29, 2012 Members Share Posted September 29, 2012 I had some EH 6CA7s that I tried, a tung sol AX7 and some old Phillips ax7. The amp had GT EL34s of unknown age, and Mesa preamp tubes. Russian 1s, whatever that means. I don't like any of those tubes. I'm referring specifically to brand, with the exception of the Phillips EH 6CA7's aren't "real" 6CA7's like the old European production ones. Try JJ's if you like 6CA7's, and maybe 6L6 while you're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted September 29, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 29, 2012 It's all I had in my spare parts bin. Sounded better to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike LX-R Posted September 29, 2012 Members Share Posted September 29, 2012 It's all I had in my spare parts bin. Sounded better to me. Oh, well for sure it would sound better. I shouldn't have jumped to criticize. But don't ditch the mesa pre-amp tubes completely yet. They might sound better than those tung sols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CME Posted September 29, 2012 Members Share Posted September 29, 2012 FWIW I preferred my old Dual with the treble off also. Really got rid of the compressed feeling of the amp. However once I got rid of it and bought a Stiletto Ace I finally found my Mesa. If you're not digging it try a Stiletto. I'm betting you'll much prefer it. Especially since you seem to be a Marshall sort of guy anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted October 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 1, 2012 FWIW I preferred my old Dual with the treble off also. Really got rid of the compressed feeling of the amp. However once I got rid of it and bought a Stiletto Ace I finally found my Mesa. If you're not digging it try a Stiletto. I'm betting you'll much prefer it. Especially since you seem to be a Marshall sort of guy anyways. Yeah, I guess I'm a Marshall high gain guy.....at least in the mids. I've only owned one real Marshall in my life, and that was a Jubilee..... In general, I'm not an actual Marshall fan.......but I've had a few "copies". Randal RGT100ES, Laney AOR, Soldano Hot Rod...... I'm not really a high gain guy, even though the band I'm in requires that sort of tone. I'm more of a non-master volume amp guy with a few lower gain pedals out front. I wasn't prepared for the Mesa to be so scooped. After spending more time with the Single, I'm liking it more and more. all the knobs at noon isn't the best settings on the gain channel for me. I could see it kicking ass for recording....make everything sound huge. I have it up for sale, but am probably going to wait until I can try it out at practice. That's the real deal maker/breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members draelyc Posted October 1, 2012 Members Share Posted October 1, 2012 Not for nothin', but the Speed Twin is pretty Marshall-y... :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted October 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 1, 2012 ...but you won't trade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grunge782 Posted October 1, 2012 Members Share Posted October 1, 2012 i'd mess some more with the treble and presence knobs...if you need more clarity/cut and want to use less gain you want some high end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members draelyc Posted October 1, 2012 Members Share Posted October 1, 2012 ...but you won't trade! Lol, busted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted October 1, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 1, 2012 If I can sell, I'll let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretout Posted October 1, 2012 Members Share Posted October 1, 2012 Okay, I didn't go through all the pages of this thread (just the first page), so forgive me if I'm requoting someone's advice. A few things to understand about dialing in a Recto (which I consider one of the required tones for modern high gain. The Mesa has global tone controls, which means as you goose one of the values, it diminishes which means if you crank one of the knobs (let's say the Treble), all the other settings suddenly fade into the background to allow the treble to shine through. The lesson? Never run any of your controls past 2 o'clock max! It will starve the other controls, and therefore ruin your efforts at dialing in a great tone. Adjust your settings in the order of most power to least powerful. Set all your controls in this order... Gain-Treble-Bass-Mids-Presence. This isn't a Marshall. You have to boost and cut the controls to get where you want to be, and the smallest changes make a huge difference. Go to the Mesa website and pull up the user manual for your amp and check out where each knob's sweet spot is. I'm not going to post my settings because they change ever so slightly depending on where I'm playing and what guitar I'm using. You can google your favorite artist's settings and use them as a "jump off point" for your own. Oh, and if the amp seems too dark, make sure you select "bold" and "diodes".... Good luck!'nn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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