Members ShizzelDizzel Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Originally Posted by Torh All right.. I have complained about motorboat/helicopter sound of my DD-20 through my F-50 before.. However I found settings where I could avoid the problem. But however again, I find it limits me a lot, so now I'm going for the mod described by Hal, Dann, petesvilla, et. al. I.e. modding the loop from parallel to serial. Nevertheless, I am a bit nervous as to how to go about this. What screws would I want to release to access the guts for the loop? Any precautions I should take regarding electrical safety? I am not inexperienced with the solder pen, it's just that I've never used it in an amp before... Thanks! EDIT: I have stumbled upon this picture from the guts of the F-30. From the pic, it looks like the one end of the cable would be difficult to access, am I right? From the parallel to serial mod schematic, we're supposed to remove one cable entirely, and from this pic it seems difficult to reach under that chipboard.. First off, I don't believe the mod will fix your issue. I don't know the details of your problem other than the motorboating. Did you try a different power supply for your DD20? Different cables? Different effect in the loop? You can try the mod, but again, I don't think it will help this problem. I'd exhaust all other troubleshooting possibilities before performing the mod. The mod has you solder the lead leftmost on the pot to the center one and unsoldering the right one. Just tape that lead off. A soldering pen probably won't have enough heat to perform this mod. I'd suggest a 35 watt iron instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lovED Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 i haven't used my effects loop yet. enlighten me.I plan on getting a subdecay stupid box soon.would that sound good straight or through the loop.I don't even know how it works.I don't have a manual for my amp.Help.lovED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikeyen Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Originally Posted by lovED i haven't used my effects loop yet. enlighten me. I plan on getting a subdecay stupid box soon. would that sound good straight or through the loop. I don't even know how it works. I don't have a manual for my amp. Help. lovED The loop would be good for any effects that you want AFTER distortion. You would run the FX send of the loop to the input of any effects you want in the loop, and send the output back to the FX Return. The order of the effects and placement are really up to you - feel free to experiment. However, generally speaking, chorus, delay, volume, tremolo, and pitch-shift sounds better in the loop than before. YMMV. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mudbuddy11 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 you know, I have motorboating when I run both echo pedals at the same time, or when the gain(output) is too high inside the fx loop. That doesnt have anything to do with your issue does it? Sorry if you've already answered those kind of questions, I havent exactly been paying attention.lovED... its pretty straightforward... loop out to your subdecay, then back into loop in. I have my mix up all the way,,,, does anyone not have their mix on 90%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mudbuddy11 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 hmmm, I should have my tremelo in the loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikeyen Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Originally Posted by mudbuddy11 hmmm, I should have my tremelo in the loop? I usually do - distortion usually compresses your sound a bit, so having the tremolo in front will sound very different than in the loop with distortion. Though, again, if you happen to like the sound of tremolo in front, go for it! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mudbuddy11 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 it makes a pretty nifty effect with the otto-filterwahawahawahawah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lamb Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Hey guys,So, I'm currently bidding on two amps right now, F-50 and F-100. I've been outbidded on the F-50 but I could easily go higher. I obviously don't want to win both so I'm wondering which one I should focus on? The F-100 is a at ridiculously low price right now but still has about 5 days left. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mudbuddy11 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 I just ran across a forum on ts9's where someone said to be careful not to run buffered pedals behind the tube screamer. Something about not getting the full potential of the TUBES in the amp, and I can see what they might be talking about, but does anyone here have any real experience with that? What am I going to run into? Is it just when i'm driving the channel or clean too? does anyone know which pedals of mine are buffered? should I care? I'm going to guess that the alesis and line6 are buffered, so should I have them out of the chain when I use the ts9?thanks all, this is a great thread. Its really helped me to figure this amp out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mudbuddy11 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 theres a buy it now f50 combo for 599, the head for 550 hasnt been bid on, and has 17hours left, and theres a f50 head for 200 with 2 days left to bid... be patient, something will come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Joeytpg Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Hey Neil, (or anyone) I just got my POD XTL and this is what I did:Connected a dummy cable in the F-50 FX SEND and connected a cable from the XTL output (L/MONO), setting the AMP/LEVEL switch to LEVEL, this cable goes into the FX Receive. I turned all the mac/amp sims off, but I don't know what's wrong... I'm still hearing the amp pre's (I can even switch the channel and contour) What am I doing wrong? do I need to change anything else in the POD itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Joeytpg Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 EDIT: never mind guys, stupid me....the guitar was plugged to the AMP instead of the POD..... it's working now! sounds good so far! I'll post clips later on.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lamb Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Originally Posted by mudbuddy11 theres a buy it now f50 combo for 599, the head for 550 hasnt been bid on, and has 17hours left, and theres a f50 head for 200 with 2 days left to bid... be patient, something will come through. No, I know. But I'm curious which one I should focus on more. The F50 or the F100. I plan on playing live but I'd also like to be able to do some bedroom volumes. I'm leaning more towards the 50 because I'm thinking I'd be able to push the tubes a bit more at lower volumes. Basically I just want to make sure I'm not missing out on anything by buying the 50 rather than the 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pedrozepelim Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Regarding the attenuation in the loop, and correct me if i'm wrong, being the loop after the pre and before the power amp, if you attenuate the pre amp so you can push the power amp, aren't you almost bypassing the pre, and doing this, bypassing one of the most important thing in an amp? Isn't the same as connecting your guitar jack to the fx loop return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Torh Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Originally Posted by bassnewb32 First off, I don't believe the mod will fix your issue. I don't know the details of your problem other than the motorboating. Did you try a different power supply for your DD20? Different cables? Different effect in the loop? You can try the mod, but again, I don't think it will help this problem. I'd exhaust all other troubleshooting possibilities before performing the mod. The mod has you solder the lead leftmost on the pot to the center one and unsoldering the right one. Just tape that lead off. A soldering pen probably won't have enough heat to perform this mod. I'd suggest a 35 watt iron instead. I use this post as my main reference.. I have also read several posts from others that would support that idea. I have changed power supply, altered the order of the Verbzilla and the DD-20, tried the DD-20 in line level mode, tried different cables.. Okay, so I will just use electrical insulation tape.. Yes, I did mean a 35W iron, I just thought a soldering pen was the same (sometimes English gets in the way ). However, a last question regarding this.. How do I go about to access the area I want here? Any precautions other than not burning my fingers with the iron? I know one should be careful when being in an amp, but it might be different if one's just going to do something about the FX loop part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillB1960 Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally Posted by Lamb No, I know. But I'm curious which one I should focus on more. The F50 or the F100. I plan on playing live but I'd also like to be able to do some bedroom volumes. I'm leaning more towards the 50 because I'm thinking I'd be able to push the tubes a bit more at lower volumes. Basically I just want to make sure I'm not missing out on anything by buying the 50 rather than the 100. Wow. Your "bedroom" must be waaaay out in the sticks or you have some mighty tolerant neighbors if you can push the output tubes on a 50 watt amp and avoid My F-30 combo will rattle the windows with the single speaker and when I plug it into my 2x10 cab... I finally went out and got a Weber Mini Mass so I could really enjoy the tone without incurring a visit from the local gendarmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hal9000 Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally Posted by pedrozepelim Regarding the attenuation in the loop, and correct me if i'm wrong, being the loop after the pre and before the power amp, if you attenuate the pre amp so you can push the power amp, aren't you almost bypassing the pre, and doing this, bypassing one of the most important thing in an amp? Isn't the same as connecting your guitar jack to the fx loop return? The loop attenuation is nothing more than an additional master volume. The F-series preamp just happens to benefit from running the 12AX7s a little hotter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShizzelDizzel Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally Posted by Torh However, a last question regarding this.. How do I go about to access the area I want here? Any precautions other than not burning my fingers with the iron? I know one should be careful when being in an amp, but it might be different if one's just going to do something about the FX loop part? Once you've removed the tubes and the amp from the shell, just keep your fingers out of the power supply area. Also, did you try using batteries with your DD20 or just trying the DD20 alone without any other pedals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Torh Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally Posted by bassnewb32 Once you've removed the tubes and the amp from the shell, just keep your fingers out of the power supply area. Also, did you try using batteries with your DD20 or just trying the DD20 alone without any other pedals? Yes, I've tried that too.. Thanks for your help..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Joeytpg Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 guys, NGD!! go here for the details! http://acapella.harmony-central.com/....php?t=1834596 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lovED Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 thanks mike.i've not gotten the subdecay yet.still looking. any suggestions?lovED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lamb Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally Posted by BillB1960 Wow. Your "bedroom" must be waaaay out in the sticks or you have some mighty tolerant neighbors if you can push the output tubes on a 50 watt amp and avoid My F-30 combo will rattle the windows with the single speaker and when I plug it into my 2x10 cab... I finally went out and got a Weber Mini Mass so I could really enjoy the tone without incurring a visit from the local gendarmes. Haha, well I don't mean I'll actually be pushing the tubes but I think I'd have an easier time pushing the 50 as opposed to the 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eddie.perez Posted December 20, 2007 Members Share Posted December 20, 2007 Mesa f-series lounge rules!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eddie.perez Posted December 20, 2007 Members Share Posted December 20, 2007 Hey brothers what's up, I have a problem. The problem is with my F-100 head. I always run my Gt-8 effects processor in the fx loop of the amp 100% wet ( I never use the preamps on the Gt-8 by the way unless i'm away from my amp). Sometimes it makes this strange helipcopter noise. I know you guys probably talked about it before. It's just that I don't have time to go through every page on this tread. Is this a problem with the tubes? Please help me out. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members estring777 Posted December 20, 2007 Members Share Posted December 20, 2007 Originally Posted by eddie.perez Hey brothers what's up, I have a problem. The problem is with my F-100 head. I always run my Gt-8 effects processor in the fx loop of the amp 100% wet ( I never use the preamps on the Gt-8 by the way unless i'm away from my amp). Sometimes it makes this strange helipcopter noise. I know you guys probably talked about it before. It's just that I don't have time to go through every page on this tread. Is this a problem with the tubes? Please help me out. Thanks. Most likely its your delay settings. Back off the trail and level until the problem resolves itself. I had the same prob with my DD20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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