Members Faber Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 A few manufacturers like EMG supply their pickups with connectors, making it possible to install/remove them without soldering. Why doesn't all manufacturers do this? It seems positively stone age that the replacement of an electrical component in a guitar should require this, rather than being a simple clip on job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walfordr Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 99% of people do not change the pickups in 99% of their guitars. Those that do want it to be a bit of a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faber Posted May 23, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Right, most people won't change PUs. But of course there is also the question og maintenance and failure of PUs. I can't for the life of me see why anyone would want it to be a challenge, esp a repairman that may have to do it several times a week. I'm sure there was a time where a soldered connection was the only reliable way, but surely these plugs/clip connectors have developed to the point where neither tone nor reliability is affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members _pete_ Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Guitar manufacturers will never agree on the same standardized plug. They would all want their own design. Can you see Gibson and PRS agreeing on something? Hell, pickup manufacturers won't even use the same color coded wiring. Soldering isn't that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members supercow3 Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Faber A few manufacturers like EMG supply their pickups with connectors, making it possible to install/remove them without soldering. Why doesn't all manufacturers do this? It seems positively stone age that the replacement of an electrical component in a guitar should require this, rather than being a simple clip on job. why add something that will add cost to their production when the old method still works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walfordr Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Faber I can't for the life of me see why anyone would want it to be a challenge, esp a repairman that may have to do it several times a week. Would their be any repairmen if everything was easy to repair/replace? Technically there is no reason why a connector would not be as good. I also agree that it would not be easy to get everyone to agree on a standard. It might also be hard to convince manufacturers that the extra cost will be recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Matter-Eater Lad Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Because soldering is chimp-simple. "Why doesn't pickups come with..." Whatever happened to grammar? Are people this ignorant now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k4df4l Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Matter-Eater Lad Because soldering is chimp-simple. plus all the other common sense reasons already mentioned. It's an interesting idea but there really isn't the demand to make it practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members supercow3 Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Matter-Eater Lad Because soldering is chimp-simple."Why doesn't pickups come with..." Whatever happened to grammar? Are people this ignorant now? I dont think its amatter of soldering is hard but more like unsoldering it and thus making the wires shorter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k4df4l Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by supercow3 I dont think its amatter of soldering is hard but more like unsoldering it and thus making the wires shorter Unsoldering wires isn't exactly hard. Not to mention that it leaves the same amount of wire intact as was there before you unsoldered it. If you have leads that are too short, you can just splice additional wire inline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walfordr Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Matter-Eater Lad Whatever happened to grammar? Are people this ignorant now? How's your Danish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faber Posted May 23, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Matter-Eater Lad Because soldering is chimp-simple. "Why doesn't pickups come with..." Whatever happened to grammar? Are people this ignorant now? 1) well, I'm dumber than a chimp then, cause I don't know the first thing about soldering. I guess I could learn, but I still say it would be convenient if I didn't have to. It's not like I have to whip out the soldering iron to install a new cd drive in my computer, or a new tuner in my stereo. Electric guitars are equally modular, so why not deliver the same ease of operation?2) Grammer: Yes, yes I am I actually thought about it beforehand , and then I chose the wrong option.Still, I bet my English is a whole lot better than your Danish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members larryguitar Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Not to mention that soldered connections are about 1000x more vibration and corrosion resistant than most connectors, cheaper and reduce the possiblity of intermittent static, in addition to being (quote of the day) "chimp simple."Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walfordr Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by larryguitar Not to mention that soldered connections are about 1000x more vibration and corrosion resistant than most connectors, cheaper and reduce the possiblity of intermittent static, in addition to being (quote of the day) "chimp simple." Larry That'd be why all high voltage/current applications use compression connectors rather than solder then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BootRoots Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 FYI: Evans pickups also use a clip in connector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Most Banned Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Faber Why doesn't all manufacturers do this? why doesn't you know basic english grammer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 335clone Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Faber 1) well, I'm dumber than a chimp then, cause I don't know the first thing about soldering. I guess I could learn, but I still say it would be convenient if I didn't have to. It's not like I have to whip out the soldering iron to install a new cd drive in my computer, or a new tuner in my stereo. Electric guitars are equally modular, so why not deliver the same ease of operation? If you want to keep it simple, and avoid the horrors of learning to solder, use theseFor the rest of us, soldering is fast, easy and the connection does not degrade. It's also much cheaper in the long run, since using plugs would require pot mfgrs to solder the ground lead on to the case, resulting in higher pot prices.We don't need more expensive pot, now do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 335clone Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by walfordr That'd be why all high voltage/current applications use compression connectors rather than solder then. No, that'd be because trying to 'solder' high tension lines would actualy be welding:idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 One sound technical reason for solder is that connectors might be prone to oxidation.I think manufacturers leave the obstacles in the process regardless becauseif it got too convenient, consumers might notice that they're dealing with wire coils that "basically sound the same" and that their $500 'instrument' reminds them strangely, of band sawed lumber. Edit:Musical ears NOT withstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faber Posted May 23, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Most Banned why doesn't you know basic english grammer? Why don't you go take up auto-fornication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ExtraGum Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 You could've learned to solder in the time it took to post to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pwn3d Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by 335clone We don't need more expensive pot, now do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Choag Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 I have a quick Q. To "unsolder" do you just melt off the old solder? Ill be changing pots on my guitar soon and it will be my first time wielding the soldering iron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k4df4l Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by Choag I have a quick Q.To "unsolder" do you just melt off the old solder? Ill be changing pots on my guitar soon and it will be my first time wielding the soldering iron. http://www.geocities.com/mistertippy/howto/desolder.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members larryguitar Posted May 23, 2006 Members Share Posted May 23, 2006 Every 'connection' made with quick connectors is actually three connections; wire 1 to connector 1, connnector 1 to connector 2 and connector 2 to wire 2. Just asking for more problems... Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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