Members leopardstar Posted March 10, 2008 Members Share Posted March 10, 2008 what about the dimarzio PAF p'ups? i was recomended these but they only go for 60 bucks. is this because they arent really good pups or are they just not in high demand? i plan on getting one maybe two for my les paul special. imho, i think they are some of the best pup's i've heard, i have one in my guild elc. and it just kicks butt, very smooth, and warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ztanner25 Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 imho, i think they are some of the best pup's i've heard, i have one in my guild elc. and it just kicks butt, very smooth, and warm. excellent. i did more research and review reading today so i've decided to definitely get one. which position would it be better suited for in my les paul, bridge or neck? currently i'm using the stock 490r at the neck and 498t at the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ztanner25 Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 which dimarzio pup were u refferring to? the "classic" or the DP103? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Psychotronic Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 its funny all this desire for a pickup 99% of you don't even know what it sounds like. how many here have actually heard an authentic paf? One of my Les Paul's has '58 PAF's (uncovered, unfortunately). They sound like no other pickup I own, even ones that purport to cop that PAF tone. There's an open-ness to them that I haven't heard in a modern pickup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Psychotronic Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 Just bought some 57 classics. I was under the impression that these were as close as you can get. They're good, I have a few of them along with a few '57 Classic +. They don't sound like my PAF's, though -- they just sound like a good humbucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GilmourD Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 One of my Les Paul's has '58 PAF's (uncovered, unfortunately). They sound like no other pickup I own, even ones that purport to cop that PAF tone. There's an open-ness to them that I haven't heard in a modern pickup. I bet if you measured the coils that they don't match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 Just bought some 57 classics. I was under the impression that these were as close as you can get. The Burstbucker 1's are considered the closest available from Gibson. Both feature AlNiCo II magnets, but the BB1 is unpotted like the originals, and I believe only the BB1 is scatterwound, but that may not be true anymore. A caveat, aftermarket Classic '57's have been wax potted since they were introduced in the late '80's, but they didn't start potting the ones made for factory guitars until the mid-90's or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted March 11, 2008 Moderators Share Posted March 11, 2008 Just bought some 57 classics. I was under the impression that these were as close as you can get. Sorry Jeff, but you need NEW IMPROVED "PAF"!!! Now with extra PAF!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members veil Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 "they just did"Seth has been dead for about 10 years or so. Must have been an old interview. *runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Psychotronic Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 I bet if you measured the coils that they don't match. I never have, but I'd bet that you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GilmourD Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 I never have, but I'd bet that you're right. I can't take credit for that theory. It's actually something I gleaned off of Bryan. That's why the pickup he wound for me has mismatched coils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ashasha Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 I guess that there are a lot of different opinions on what makes a good PAF and to be honest I think that it is going to depend on the listener. Getting the windings to be closer to the same amount will of course make the humbucking effect better, but from what I have read having uneven numbers of windings actually makes it sound better to some ears. First thing to go when you start cancelling will be the higher frequencies, going with unevened numbers may actually cause it to act like some kind of filter so it would cancel some and not others. I would imagine that this would be like some kind of bandpass filter and with different frequency ranges coming out from pickup to pickup back in the day I would imagine that there would be all kinds of different sounding guitars. And with that I bet that some matched some amps better than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jdjonsson Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 The Burstbucker 1's are considered the closest available from Gibson. Both feature AlNiCo II magnets, but the BB1 is unpotted like the originals, and I believe only the BB1 is scatterwound, but that may not be true anymore. A caveat, aftermarket Classic '57's have been wax potted since they were introduced in the late '80's, but they didn't start potting the ones made for factory guitars until the mid-90's or so. I got'em brand new from samedaymusic.com. 57 Classic for the neck, and Classic + for the bridge. I'm replacing the stock pickups on my LP Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted March 11, 2008 Members Share Posted March 11, 2008 I guess that there are a lot of different opinions on what makes a good PAF and to be honest I think that it is going to depend on the listener. Getting the windings to be closer to the same amount will of course make the humbucking effect better, but from what I have read having uneven numbers of windings actually makes it sound better to some ears. First thing to go when you start cancelling will be the higher frequencies, going with unevened numbers may actually cause it to act like some kind of filter so it would cancel some and not others. I would imagine that this would be like some kind of bandpass filter and with different frequency ranges coming out from pickup to pickup back in the day I would imagine that there would be all kinds of different sounding guitars. And with that I bet that some matched some amps better than others. :thu:It's totally subjective, I think many modern players would find real PAF tone bright and thin compared to the fatter, hotter HB's (including so-called PAF clones) everyone is used to. Generally uneven coils will be brighter with better note-to-note definition, one coil overpowers the other so you get a tad bit of what happens when you have one SC more powerful than another, there is less cancellation compared to balanced, machine-wound coils (as a result there may also be a tad bit of added hum). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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