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    Is there a capacitor that adds warmth and fullness of tone? I know some people say the Orange drops are best for that but many also say they only add highs. I just want to bring out the most mid-range possible. Thanks for the help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3 Headed Moses
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    Is there a capacitor that adds warmth and fullness of tone? I know some people say the Orange drops are best for that but many also say they only add highs. I just want to bring out the most mid-range possible. Thanks for the help.




    Some would say it doesn't matter a bit and have done the research



    http://www.luthiersforum.com/forum/v...=10123&t=38417



    (FK puts on flame proof underwear and prepares for the discussion)



    edit to add, this assumes the same value in microfarads, of course. Since the tone pot-cap are a low pass filter, if you inncrease the value of the cap you loose more of the high frequency as you turn down the tone control.

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    • #3
      I don't see how caps add anything.

      They take away highs, bleeding them to ground.

      At least thats how I understand the physics.

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      • #4
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          Quote Originally Posted by Pine Apple Slim
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          I don't see how caps add anything.

          They take away highs, bleeding them to ground.

          At least thats how I understand the physics.




          Caps are filters nothing more. I went with nickel wounds to get that warm midrange

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          • #6
            In a passive circuit, such as a STANDARD electric guitar, you cannot add anything, only take away. That is exactly what the "tone control, (aka low-pass filter) does in your guitar, bleeds highs off to ground (so you don't hear them).



            Despite what people say, the composition of a capacitor does not affect the tone. The actual capacitance value DOES. The knee frequency (where the lows are allowed to pass and the highs start going to ground) can vary from cap to cap. This variance may lead people to believe there is a difference in tone with different cap materials.



            I have found that lowering the cap value will allow more highs through, which in general gives your AMP more to work with and lets you work the tone a bit more with the amp. This can be perceived as "richer" because there are more frequencies there to work with.
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            • #7
              good info thread
              Originally Posted by Echad


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              • #8
                If you're the type who leaves his tone control on 10, don't waste your time. Most people can't tell if a cap is removed or shorted out while on 10, let alone different.
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                  Quote Originally Posted by Armitage
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                  If you're the type who leaves his tone control on 10, don't waste your time. Most people can't tell if a cap is removed or shorted out while on 10, let alone different.




                  Thanks! From what I had read, I thought this was the case but I wanted some other first-hand accounts. You guys have helped a lot.
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                  • #10






                    Quote Originally Posted by Armitage
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                    If you're the type who leaves his tone control on 10, don't waste your time. Most people can't tell if a cap is removed or shorted out while on 10, let alone different.




                    Not entirely. It depends on the cap's value. My Cabronita has TV Jones Magna'Trons, and I first wired them up without a cap (there's no tone control). They were too bright, so I put a cap on it (wired just like a tone control on 10). I played around with a few values, and some made the pickups dull and muddy, some made almost no difference. I settled on a value that just took the edge off.



                    Now that guitar kicks serious ass.
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                    • #11






                      Quote Originally Posted by 3 Headed Moses
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                      Is there a capacitor that adds warmth and fullness of tone? I know some people say the Orange drops are best for that but many also say they only add highs. I just want to bring out the most mid-range possible. Thanks for the help.




                      Orange Drops cost $1, are more consistant than ceramic caps, and are available with plated copper leads which are easy to solder.
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                      • #12






                        Quote Originally Posted by Armitage
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                        If you're the type who leaves his tone control on 10, don't waste your time. Most people can't tell if a cap is removed or shorted out while on 10, let alone different.




                        Sorry, but this isn't the case.



                        The cap value DOES matter, even if your tone control is on 10. Less so if your tone control is a 1M pot, but it still does pull off some highs to ground. It matters more as the pot value goes down to 500k or 250k.



                        I still maintain that the cap MATERIAL doesn't matter in a low-pass filter.
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                          Quote Originally Posted by wagdog
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                          Sorry, but this isn't the case.



                          The cap value DOES matter, even if your tone control is on 10. Less so if your tone control is a 1M pot, but it still does pull off some highs to ground. It matters more as the pot value goes down to 500k or 250k.

                          .




                          True. Doubters can just go try an American Standard Strat with no load tone control to hear this in action.
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                            Quote Originally Posted by Wayne2
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                            True. Doubters can just go try an American Standard Strat with no load tone control to hear this in action.




                            This is true, I brightened the tone of my Tele by going to a no-load pot and as a bonus got a little more gain

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                            • #15
                              Dunno. I always swap in a variety of cap types when I'm optimizing a tone control, and I can always tell a difference among different types of the same nominal value. Tolerance? Different slope to the rolloff? Placebo? Can't say, but there's always a difference, and I don't always or even usually end up liking the "best" cap at my disposal for a given guitar/pickup combo.



                              Russian PiOs are reasonable, and pretty consistently nice. I have a few old-stock US/European caps, sometimes they are just the ticket. Sometimes an Orange Drop wins. Whatevs.
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