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  • #61
    Any chance that a sealer coat was applied before the colors?

    This would have helped to assure uniformity in the color itself, simplifying their mfg. process.

    If this was the case, then it should strip to clean wood easily.

    GreatDane, you might grab a piece of 220 or so grit paper & sand a small area through the color to get an idea.
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    archtop #1 mahogany/maccasar ebony
    archtop #2 maple/brazilian ebony
    GreatDanes blacktop Les Paul
    purpleheart/maple neck-through

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    • #62






      Quote Originally Posted by meandi
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      GreatDane, you might grab a piece of 220 or so grit paper & sand a small area through the color to get an idea.




      That's what I would do.
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      • #63






        Quote Originally Posted by meandi
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        Any chance that a sealer coat was applied before the colors?

        This would have helped to assure uniformity in the color itself, simplifying their mfg. process.

        If this was the case, then it should strip to clean wood easily.

        GreatDane, you might grab a piece of 220 or so grit paper & sand a small area through the color to get an idea.




        here's what we've got~ i barely had to sand it before i hit straight maple on the neck. same with the mahogany body. i'm thinking sealer under the dye. what do you think? should clean up easy, IMO.



















        and here's some shots of the full back~ looks like i was wrong about the figuring. she's no custom shop model, but damn that's going to look pretty good with a nice honey-tinted clear coat.







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        • #64
          taking a clean piece of paper, scuff the area where the color is gone.

          If there's a sealer coat, this should give you a whiteish sanding dust on the paper...sand a bit deeper & you'll see the wood dust beginning to show on the paper.

          Looks like there's still a bit of color in the deeper grain lines.

          Hard to tell just from the photos...
          don;t always remember this so...best to all!
          education...how ya gonna know what to do...'less ya know what to do
          people will not always believe what you say
          but they have no choice but to believe what you do
          studied as a science...practiced as an art

          my build threads:

          archtop #1 mahogany/maccasar ebony
          archtop #2 maple/brazilian ebony
          GreatDanes blacktop Les Paul
          purpleheart/maple neck-through

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          • #65
            p.s., might not even be a dye.

            pigmented color can be cut with clear to provide translucent color coats.

            From my show car days...this is one of the basics of the pearls & candy colors which are sprayed over silver, gold even white base coats for some of the mile deep looking 3d type finishes.
            don;t always remember this so...best to all!
            education...how ya gonna know what to do...'less ya know what to do
            people will not always believe what you say
            but they have no choice but to believe what you do
            studied as a science...practiced as an art

            my build threads:

            archtop #1 mahogany/maccasar ebony
            archtop #2 maple/brazilian ebony
            GreatDanes blacktop Les Paul
            purpleheart/maple neck-through

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            • #66






              Quote Originally Posted by meandi
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              taking a clean piece of paper, scuff the area where the color is gone.

              If there's a sealer coat, this should give you a whiteish sanding dust on the paper...sand a bit deeper & you'll see the wood dust beginning to show on the paper.

              Looks like there's still a bit of color in the deeper grain lines.

              Hard to tell just from the photos...




              i'll try for better pics tomorrow if we get some sun around here. was mostly rain today.
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              • #67






                Quote Originally Posted by meandi
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                p.s., might not even be a dye.

                pigmented color can be cut with clear to provide translucent color coats.

                From my show car days...this is one of the basics of the pearls & candy colors which are sprayed over silver, gold even white base coats for some of the mile deep looking 3d type finishes.




                it's funny you say this; as i was looking over the exposed wood areas, i was thinking that the finish didn't appear to be behaving like a dye.
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                • #68






                  Quote Originally Posted by GreatDane
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                  it's funny you say this; as i was looking over the exposed wood areas, i was thinking that the finish didn't appear to be behaving like a dye.




                  If it's a dye, it should be in the wood...a pigmented finish would be on the wood, so to speak.
                  don;t always remember this so...best to all!
                  education...how ya gonna know what to do...'less ya know what to do
                  people will not always believe what you say
                  but they have no choice but to believe what you do
                  studied as a science...practiced as an art

                  my build threads:

                  archtop #1 mahogany/maccasar ebony
                  archtop #2 maple/brazilian ebony
                  GreatDanes blacktop Les Paul
                  purpleheart/maple neck-through

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                  • #69
                    I will be watching this one closely. I have a very similar project in my queue, except I am going for a green top.



                    I bought the paint last week...this color:





                    On this axe:

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                    • #70
                      BTW GreatDane I assume you made a typo above, but your neck looks mahogany. I could be crazy too.



                      Another 2 cents, but that looks like trans red over a sealer coat.
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                      • #71






                        Quote Originally Posted by axegrinder
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                        BTW GreatDane I assume you made a typo above, but your neck looks mahogany. I could be crazy too.



                        Another 2 cents, but that looks like trans red over a sealer coat.




                        not a typo, but i could be off base. i thought the wood looked too light to be mahogany, and recall that LPs of this era (1981) were maple necks in mahogany bodies (my '79 Custom is this way), so i assumed this was a maple neck. i also don't have tuners on the guitar right now, and the wood in the routes sure looks like maple. who knows?



                        thank you for following along, Axe! i will be sending the guitar off to meandi a week from monday, and then the fun begins...
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                        • #72
                          oh and Axe~ that's going to be a great green top! that color you've picked is sweet.
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                          • #73






                            Quote Originally Posted by GreatDane
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                            not a typo, but i could be off base. i thought the wood looked too light to be mahogany, and recall that LPs of this era (1981) were maple necks in mahogany bodies (my '79 Custom is this way), so i assumed this was a maple neck. i also don't have tuners on the guitar right now, and the wood in the routes sure looks like maple. who knows?



                            thank you for following along, Axe! i will be sending the guitar off to meandi a week from monday, and then the fun begins...




                            I wondered at your statement about the neck being maple, as well...I had been under the impression that Gibson always used mahogany in their necks...didn't know they had ever used maple.

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                            Went back & looked at your photos again & the grain on the neck does appear to be tighter than on the body.
                            don;t always remember this so...best to all!
                            education...how ya gonna know what to do...'less ya know what to do
                            people will not always believe what you say
                            but they have no choice but to believe what you do
                            studied as a science...practiced as an art

                            my build threads:

                            archtop #1 mahogany/maccasar ebony
                            archtop #2 maple/brazilian ebony
                            GreatDanes blacktop Les Paul
                            purpleheart/maple neck-through

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                            • #74
                              here's a write-up on the Deluxe from wikipedia:



                              "The DeLuxe was among the "new" 1968 Les Pauls.[21] This model featured "mini-humbuckers", also known as "New York" humbuckers, and did not initially prove popular. The mini-humbucker pickup fit into the pre-carved P-90 pickup cavity using an adaptor ring developed by Gibson (actually just a cut-out P90 pickup cover) in order to use a supply of Epiphone mini-humbuckers left over from when Gibson moved Epiphone production to Japan. The DeLuxe was introduced in late 1968 and helped to standardize production among Gibson's USA-built Les Pauls. The first incarnation of the DeLuxe featured a one-piece body and three-piece neck in late 1968. The "pancake" body (thin layer of maple on top of two layers of Honduran mahogany) came later in 1969. In late 1969, a small "volute" was added. 1969 DeLuxe's feature the Gibson logo devoid of the dot over the "i" in Gibson. By late 1969/early 1970, the dot over the "i" had returned, plus a "Made In USA" stamp on the back of the headstock. By 1975, the neck construction was changed from mahogany to maple, until the early 1980s, when the construction was returned to mahogany. The body changed back to solid mahogany from the pancake design in late 1976 or early 1977. Interest in this particular Les Paul model was so low that in 1985, Gibson canceled the line. However, in 2005, the "DeLuxe" was reintroduced with more popularity due to its association with Pete Townshend."



                              so could this be one of the last maple-necked Deluxe's? cool!
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                              • #75
                                That neck is mahogany. Mahogany has a variety of colors, from maple-blonde (My mother has an antique mahogany chest that is a similar color to alder), to dark like cherry, to brown like walnut.



                                But the grain pattern is unmistakable. That's Mahogany. Also, Dane, I returned your PM.



                                I'm glad to see it's not a dye.

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