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  • #61






    Quote Originally Posted by larryguitar
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    If you walk toward a bunch of people in a trench who are taking heavy incoming fire, don't wave something that looks like a gun at them. The 'need' question is a primary talking point of gun-grabbers everywhere, and something (as you've seen) that's treated harshly. Keep telling me what you don't think I 'need' and you'll find calm discourse very thin on the ground.



    Oh, and stop using profanity and capitalize, if you want to be taken seriously-




    larry, admit you 'want' your clip, and i'll shake your hand and let you want it. nobody ****************ING needs a gun (capitals and profanity intentional) 'cause in the grander scheme of human need-- they don't. but you seriously NEED to loosen up- 'cause i ain't after you, and a gun grabber is a pretty hysterical characterization from where i sit. if this is all it takes to get you frothing at the mouth- i suspect you'd probably better prepare for way worse, 'cause it's not the likes of ME who's gonna be making problems- you've got a whole country of people WAY more 'gun grabby' than myself- and if you honestly believe 'being taken seriously' is something i'd worry about on a guitar forum... lord god help you.

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    • #62






      Quote Originally Posted by newholland
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      sure. thing is, it's not the same. i want explosives because i can use explosives. i want snuff films 'cause i use snuff films. i want LSD because i use LSD. i want a russian sex slave because i use russian sex slaves. der. the existence of things doesn't mean you can have them because want to use them.



      like i said-- it's not me wanting to TAKE said large magazines-- but having three 10 cartridge clips doesn't seem like an inconvenience. having a 30 cartridge clip seems like an excuse to mod a gun to full auto. i fully know it's the person shooting the gun that's gonna hurt people- and like i said-- i don't have a dog in the fight as i'm not a gun guy. but i do wonder why people pretend they're not aware why these things exist. it's not just to not reload once every 30 shots. c'mon.




      Why have a Hummer? You can kill a LOT of people with that thing. It's too big for most of our roads here. It's really a military vehicle..not designed for civilian use.





      Why do you think everyone that owns a weapon or magazines has an intent to kill? Maybe they just like shooting it. But you are saying...because YOU don't, they shouldn't either.



      Now....such a person needs to have and use it with GREAT caution and responsibility. How dare we tell them they can't do something they enjoy.



      I'm not a gun owner either.

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      • #63






        Quote Originally Posted by chad_sux
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        This thread




        I know...here we go again.



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        • #64






          Quote Originally Posted by newholland
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          having a 30 cartridge clip seems like an excuse to mod a gun to full auto.




          Uh what?
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          • #65




            Why are you guys jumping on newholland? I dont see anything he posted as being anti-gun at all. His first post in here was a question....OP said something about the gun doing what he was "needing" it to do. I love guns, and after first reading the OP, I was also thinking...what could he be "needing" a gun like this to do? If youre a civilian, there isnt even a "need" to have this type of weapon. I dont see newhollands question as anit-gun, but more as just a genuine curiosity and inquiry.



            Like I said, I love guns, and I support the right of US citizens to exercise our constitutional right to bear arms, but I can honestly say that I see no "need" in having that type of weapon. I can certainly see the fun aspect, as who doesnt like shooting more and loading less, but again...OP said need, and I thought the same thing NH did about what could you possibly NEED this gun to be doing.



            Yall are becoming a huge bunch of sensitive pussies....seriously...lets buy guns and then be bitches and purposefully read too much into what people are saying, even if its not anti gun. Isnt that how women think? Are you all becoming a bunch of gun toting women? If thats the case, maybe yall shouldnt have guns .
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            • #66
              newholland to answer you directly... People miss. Especially when panicking. It's nice to have what you would consider as too many than to not have enough. 10 sounds like a lot until there are 3 dudes and you've already missed 5 times. That and 1 shot is generally not going to stop a threat unless they just decide to stop. Physiologically they are still fit to continue to try to kill you. It's like trying to make a 100 mile trip in a car that has a tank that will only get you 100 miles. That could be cutting it pretty close. One wrong turn and you run out of gas before you get there. I'll take the car that can take me farther than I might need before I take one that might not.



              While being attacked changing a magazine could cost you your life. While shooting defenseless people that 1 second is not likely to make much of a difference for the victims.
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              • #67






                Quote Originally Posted by Stevetemp
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                Why have a Hummer? You can kill a LOT of people with that thing. It's too big for most of our roads here. It's really a military vehicle..not designed for civilian use.





                Why do you think everyone that owns a weapon or magazines has an intent to kill? Maybe they just like shooting it. But you are saying...because YOU don't, they shouldn't either.



                Now....such a person needs to have and use it with GREAT caution and responsibility. How dare we tell them they can't do something they enjoy.



                I'm not a gun owner either.






                that's my point steve- i KNOW that's the case, and i don't expect that people are gonna kill people. i'm not saying they DO intend to kill people with a clip intending to hold 30 cartridges. my question was, why do you need it?



                my whole family are responsible rifle owners- 30.06es, shotguns, and .22s. but they're all basically stock guns without big old clips. never had a single injury or murder from any of the lot of those guns because we were ALL told that they're due utmost respect.



                as a military necessity-- i'm alright with it. on ranges? okay. i'm just a little sketched when it comes to having these things around homes, admittedly. but the idea that i'm trying to take them away? naw. fostering discussion- yep. but so far-- loads of static, and nothing but 'you wanna steal my clipszors!'



                but seriously-- the 'if you enjoy it you should have it' argument is pretty weak-- cause people enjoy lots of stuff that's dangerous and illegal for a whole host of reasons.

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                • #68






                  Quote Originally Posted by newholland
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                  larry, admit you 'want' your clip, and i'll shake your hand and let you want it. nobody ****************ING needs a gun (capitals and profanity intentional) 'cause in the grander scheme of human need-- they don't. but you seriously NEED to loosen up- 'cause i ain't after you, and a gun grabber is a pretty hysterical characterization from where i sit. if this is all it takes to get you frothing at the mouth- i suspect you'd probably better prepare for way worse, 'cause it's not the likes of ME who's gonna be making problems- you've got a whole country of people WAY more 'gun grabby' than myself- and if you honestly believe 'being taken seriously' is something i'd worry about on a guitar forum... lord god help you.




                  Actually I know a TON of people on the far left who own guns and will fight to the death the defend their right to own them. Compound that with the guys on the right, and I'm pretty sure people who are "gun grabby" will be in the minority when this comes to fruition...



                  Who's side you gonna be on? The side who has firepower, or the side holding tobacco pipes in their lips saying, "now now, just hand over your weapons and everything will be fine..."



                  BTW, you DID say, "you anti-gun opinion" in an earlier post, then you came back and said you "never said anything about being anti-gun"



                  Admit the fact that people can enjoy things different than your tastes. You like hi-fi tube stereos and expensive speakers...That's a hobby, you don't need them, but you enjoy them. Turn that into guns (Which btw, a 30 round MAGAZINE [not a clip] does not mean you are going to turn your gun into full auto, wtf? ) and you can see the comparison.



                  Should the guys in this thread have said, "want"? Sure, but who cares...



                  You are awfully defensive over this, and I like you Dan, but man you're coming off incredibly irrational in spots...
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                  • #69






                    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaRaf
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                    Why are you guys jumping on newholland? I dont see anything he posted as being anti-gun at all. His first post in here was a question....OP said something about the gun doing what he was "needing" it to do. I love guns, and after first reading the OP, I was also thinking...what could he be "needing" a gun like this to do? If youre a civilian, there isnt even a "need" to have this type of weapon. I dont see newhollands question as anit-gun, but more as just a genuine curiosity and inquiry.



                    Like I said, I love guns, and I support the right of US citizens to exercise our constitutional right to bear arms, but I can honestly say that I see no "need" in having that type of weapon. I can certainly see the fun aspect, as who doesnt like shooting more and loading less, but again...OP said need, and I thought the same thing NH did about what could you possibly NEED this gun to be doing.



                    Yall are becoming a huge bunch of sensitive pussies....seriously...lets buy guns and then be bitches and purposefully read too much into what people are saying, even if its not anti gun. Isnt that how women think? Are you all becoming a bunch of gun toting women? If thats the case, maybe yall shouldnt have guns .




                    I think it's the part where you guys decide what we "need." There are people out there that would make you "need" that rifle, 30 round mags, and unfortunately several other guys with the same.



                    People get annoyed when they see others basically telling them they don't need something just because that person decides they don't need it. Sure in day to day life there is a very remote chance you'd need something like that. But you can count on the fact that somewhere, right now, someone's ass could really use that thing. They're going to die because they didn't have it.



                    Again I understand these things are rare but as I recall everyone is up in arms over a shooter that just decided to kill people. If instead of that school is was your neighborhood/apt and they were coming for your family... you still going to tell me you don't need it? Ideals don't block bullets.
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                    • #70






                      Quote Originally Posted by Mesa4x12er2
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                      I think it's the part where you guys decide what we "need." There are people out there that would make you "need" that rifle, 30 round mags, and unfortunately several other guys with the same.



                      People get annoyed when they see others basically telling them they don't need something just because that person decides they don't need it. Sure in day to day life there is a very remote chance you'd need something like that. But you can count on the fact that somewhere, right now, someone's ass could really use that thing. They're going to die because they didn't have it.



                      Again I understand these things are rare but as I recall everyone is up in arms over a shooter that just decided to kill people. If instead of that school is was your neighborhood/apt and they were coming for your family... you still going to tell me you don't need it? Ideals don't block bullets.




                      Still more reading between the lines...reading something that isnt there. Thats what I mean when Im saying every ones becoming a woman. Take it for what was said on the surface.



                      I mean...do I need a 100 watt tube head and full stack for my house? **************** no...do I want it, hell **************** yeah...and this is America, and if I can afford something that I want, Im gonna ****************ing get it regardless of others' opinion.



                      My point is...NH just asked a simple question. No one ever said what the OP needs or doesnt need. No ones making that decision for him. He said the gun does what he needs it to do, and honestly, Im genuinely just curious about what a civilian would NEED that gun to do. What are you doing with it? If he needs it for targets, ranges, hunting, fending off crazy ****************ers....who gives a ****************. There wasnt any question about whether or not he needs the gun, it was a question about what he needs to gun to do. If you want to make it sound more friendly, maybe need could be replaced with want...what does OP want the gun to do? But OP worded it as need, so the question was worded in kind.



                      Again, theres no question as to whether or not the gun is actually needed, but when some one is saying that this badass piece of death machinery is doing what they need it to do, personally, Im really curious about the situations going on that make the OP say that it does what he NEEDS it to do. Maybe, in reality, its just cool, makes things easier to load, and all that...so maybe its just what he WANTS it to do. I think the word NEED is just throwing people off, and thats not NHs fault, but thats why every one jumped on him in this thread about being antigun, when in reality, he doesnt seem antigun at all.



                      Its just guys being bitches (women) and reading WAY too deep between the lines when theres nothing between the lines to read.



                      And make no mistake...as soon as I can afford one, Im buying a springfield M1A and Im buying the biggest goddamned clip I can find for it. Why? Not because I need it for anything at all, but because I shot one years ago, and it was really fun seeing an enormous hole appear where one didnt exist a second before, and I wanna make 20 of those holes before I have to reload a clip.
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                      • #71






                        Quote Originally Posted by Mesa4x12er2
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                        newholland to answer you directly... People miss. Especially when panicking. It's nice to have what you would consider as too many than to not have enough. 10 sounds like a lot until there are 3 dudes and you've already missed 5 times. That and 1 shot is generally not going to stop a threat unless they just decide to stop. Physiologically they are still fit to continue to try to kill you. It's like trying to make a 100 mile trip in a car that has a tank that will only get you 100 miles. That could be cutting it pretty close. One wrong turn and you run out of gas before you get there. I'll take the car that can take me farther than I might need before I take one that might not.



                        While being attacked changing a magazine could cost you your life. While shooting defenseless people that 1 second is not likely to make much of a difference for the victims.




                        thanks mesa- we've discussed this kinda stuff before, and i appreciate that you're always willing to actually discuss it. i hear what you're saying-- but is that a necessity of everyday life? as a military rifle or law enforcement, good lord, absolutely! even on a range- i can see it. but gads.. i'm glad most people don't have such problems in their homes. at least yet









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                        Why are you guys jumping on newholland? I dont see anything he posted as being anti-gun at all. His first post in here was a question....OP said something about the gun doing what he was "needing" it to do. I love guns, and after first reading the OP, I was also thinking...what could he be "needing" a gun like this to do? If youre a civilian, there isnt even a "need" to have this type of weapon. I dont see newhollands question as anit-gun, but more as just a genuine curiosity and inquiry.



                        Like I said, I love guns, and I support the right of US citizens to exercise our constitutional right to bear arms, but I can honestly say that I see no "need" in having that type of weapon. I can certainly see the fun aspect, as who doesnt like shooting more and loading less, but again...OP said need, and I thought the same thing NH did about what could you possibly NEED this gun to be doing.



                        Yall are becoming a huge bunch of sensitive pussies....seriously...lets buy guns and then be bitches and purposefully read too much into what people are saying, even if its not anti gun. Isnt that how women think? Are you all becoming a bunch of gun toting women? If thats the case, maybe yall shouldnt have guns .




                        thanks raf.

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                        • #72






                          Quote Originally Posted by newholland
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                          ...snip/



                          and nope-- not trying to steal liberties or push my anti-gun crazy on anybody--



                          /snip...




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                          • #73






                            Quote Originally Posted by KCTigerChief
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                            Actually I know a TON of people on the far left who own guns and will fight to the death the defend their right to own them. Compound that with the guys on the right, and I'm pretty sure people who are "gun grabby" will be in the minority when this comes to fruition...



                            Who's side you gonna be on? The side who has firepower, or the side holding tobacco pipes in their lips saying, "now now, just hand over your weapons and everything will be fine..."



                            BTW, you DID say, "you anti-gun opinion" in an earlier post, then you came back and said you "never said anything about being anti-gun"



                            Admit the fact that people can enjoy things different than your tastes. You like hi-fi tube stereos and expensive speakers...That's a hobby, you don't need them, but you enjoy them. Turn that into guns (Which btw, a 30 round MAGAZINE [not a clip] does not mean you are going to turn your gun into full auto, wtf? ) and you can see the comparison.



                            Should the guys in this thread have said, "want"? Sure, but who cares...



                            You are awfully defensive over this, and I like you Dan, but man you're coming off incredibly irrational in spots...




                            naw - i said 'i wasnt trying to push my anti gun crazy on anybody'.. meaning that i'm not pushing an anti gun agenda on anybody. i'm NOT really being defensive, honestly. but i am willing to push back when not really getting it.



                            i mean-- we want what we want-- i get that. but the idea of want and need becomes critical when discussing guns, far as i'm concerned. if it were up to me- i'd limit guns to bolt action in the home, 'cause they're safe, impossible to hide, and that's basically what the constitution gave us rights for. that's just me. i know people will still get semis and full autos through porous borders. it's NOT a quick and easy fix- i know it.



                            BUT.. i think that it's a really good time for people to put their beliefs regarding really overtly big firepower to question, especially given what's been going on in the past few weeks- both pro- and anti- stances.



                            i'm not sure i've been irrational-- but i definitely believe that my logic has been consistent throughout, even if it's covered in a bit of sarcasm due to the nature of a few semi-belligerent responses.

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                            • #74






                              Quote Originally Posted by NinjaRaf
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                              Still more reading between the lines...reading something that isnt there. Thats what I mean when Im saying every ones becoming a woman. Take it for what was said on the surface.



                              I mean...do I need a 100 watt tube head and full stack for my house? **************** no...do I want it, hell **************** yeah...and this is America, and if I can afford something that I want, Im gonna ****************ing get it regardless of others' opinion.



                              My point is...NH just asked a simple question. No one ever said what the OP needs or doesnt need. No ones making that decision for him. He said the gun does what he needs it to do, and honestly, Im genuinely just curious about what a civilian would NEED that gun to do. What are you doing with it? If he needs it for targets, ranges, hunting, fending off crazy ****************ers....who gives a ****************. There wasnt any question about whether or not he needs the gun, it was a question about what he needs to gun to do. If you want to make it sound more friendly, maybe need could be replaced with want...what does OP want the gun to do? But OP worded it as need, so the question was worded in kind.



                              Again, theres no question as to whether or not the gun is actually needed, but when some one is saying that this badass piece of death machinery is doing what they need it to do, personally, Im really curious about the situations going on that make the OP say that it does what he NEEDS it to do. Maybe, in reality, its just cool, makes things easier to load, and all that...so maybe its just what he WANTS it to do. I think the word NEED is just throwing people off, and thats not NHs fault, but thats why every one jumped on him in this thread about being antigun, when in reality, he doesnt seem antigun at all.



                              Its just guys being bitches (women) and reading WAY too deep between the lines when theres nothing between the lines to read.



                              And make no mistake...as soon as I can afford one, Im buying a springfield M1A and Im buying the biggest goddamned clip I can find for it. Why? Not because I need it for anything at all, but because I shot one years ago, and it was really fun seeing an enormous hole appear where one didnt exist a second before, and I wanna make 20 of those holes before I have to reload a clip.




                              Ok well then you and newholland would be the first I've seen that are legitimately interested as all I've seen for over a week now is attempts to slander the pro-gun side. If you call BS on that then maybe you should get off the forums and go check any news site. Maybe go check the list of people that were outed for owning a gun. Maybe see the propaganda like the picture below. You're late to the discussion. The pro-rights side has been dealing with this **************** non-stop for a while. As soon as you question someone's needs and ask them to justify themselves to you you've already crossed a line. I like newholland but after him asking the same question that a ton of anti-gun people have been asking what should be expected? Then he pretty much tells us why we don't need them and he doesn't feel they are necessary which would support the idea that his question was leading. Which is fine, but approach with caution.



                              People on the other side are so out of arguments they are trying to appeal to insecurities by attacking guys in the nutsack. I mean really?







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                              • #75
                                Was expecting some kind of exotic guitar I had never seen before. Disappoint.

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