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  • #46






    Quote Originally Posted by newholland
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    that's not the question i asked, and a gun isn't a car. there's no difference in function between a bolt action and a 20 cartridge magazine-- the gun still functions exactly the same with either- so you're not driving a hotrod or a family sedan. it's an analogy of having a 15 gallon tank and a 250 gallon tank. i don't think i want a ferrari with a 250 gallon tank- but that's neither here nor there.




    They're necessary for many different kinds of competition; plus it's just more fun shooting more and loading less. (So you could have Ferrari with a 8 oz. tank, and gas up every four blocks, or you could drive to Florida. Which would be better?)
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    • #47
      newholland might want to take his dumb anti-this-particular-configuration-of-weapon out of the the thread created specifically for this particular configuration of weapon.



      though it is pretty fun to watch, and ive been at work since 6am on ****************ing xmas. i needed it.
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      • #48






        Quote Originally Posted by ~Abstract~
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        I just got it at a local mom and pop. "Ozark Armory"...but I'm pretty sure they're sold out...the shelves were bare and this was one of the last semi autos in the store. It's not "evil" enough I guess.





        I think I'm gonna hold out on 922r compliant modding...if the ban hammer comes down I could see those becoming illegal.

        I could really use a 7.62x39 though and if we don't get banned in 6 mos or so, I may hit you up for modification guide for that one.




        Any firearm modded Pre-ban, should be good to go. Just like previous gun bans, anything purchased before then ban should be fine.



        As far as 922r goes, let me know if you need materials on it. After I picked up my first "sporterized" Saiga, I wanted to restore it back to current AK specs, so I picked up a lot of machinery and ended up being one of the only gunsmiths who can work on AK-47s, AK-74s, Saiga .308/.410/12. From pistol grip and FCGs, to side-folders and underfolders, I'm busy with a ton of work. Performance-wise, converting your .308 to the AK configuration will get rid of the trigger slap and make for a much improved firearm.



        As far as the whole gun ban, I'm far from a stereotypical redneck, and I'm not some anti-political extremist, I'm just a typical guy that believes people should have the option to defend themselves, and others. Banning guns will not get rid of the violence of the times, it will merely take tax dollars away from this revenue steam, and will increase demand on black-market firearms. In my humble opinion, taking the right to own semi-automatic firearms away from the population is going to increase violence.



        Typically and historically, violent criminals target "gun free zones", most likely because they know that no one else in the area is going to be armed. When was the last time a gun shop was robbed at gunpoint? Jackasses like the Colorado shooter and the SHES shooters targeted people that were the least likely to be armed... People in a dark theater and little school children. Again IMHO, I think it's next to impossible to stop these occurrences from happening, but a better solution is proper detection. Set up metal detectors at all entrances/exits, and have armed guards (on or off duty police) on site. Make it tougher to access places with a firearm.



        Lastly, it's completely irrational to think that people focus on a tool as problem instead of focusing on the operator. It's people that kill people. It's like far people blaming a spoon for making them obese. It's not the spoon, it's the choice of the individual. I do not know what makes a person choose to do such wreckless and senseless acts, but one has to think that the person's moral compass was way out of whack. Maybe if these shooters had more to live for, maybe if their parents told them how important they were. Maybe if they knew someone cared about them, maybe if they knew the pain the surviving members of the victims families would have to carry with them the rest of their days, maybe they would have considered a different choice. Who knows. I think protection should be the most critical issue. We should be focusing in protecting ourselves from future attacks, not going on a witch hunt and reacting to an extreme senseless act in an equally extreme policy.



        Just my opinion. I've seen so many posts on HCAF about how guns are terrible. They should be respected for what they are, and the liberty to own any gun you choose (except an automatic) shouldn't be seen as a solution, it just makes more people at risk, and makes violent criminals less concerned about fighting fire with fire.
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        • #49
          didnt know we had a gunsmith onboard



          my brother almost got shot at STI few months back. I.D. of a .45 some ****************head brought back from their range chambered. went through a desk and lodged in my brothers desk.
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          • #50






            Quote Originally Posted by Y0UNGBL00D
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            didnt know we had a gunsmith onboard



            my brother almost got shot at STI few months back. I.D. of a .45 some ****************head brought back from their range chambered. went through a desk and lodged in my brothers desk.




            Yeah man! If anyone has questions or whatnot, I'll happily try to help out my brothers (and some sisters) of the Scum Den.



            Man, that's scary. I'm really happy your brother wasn't hurt by this moron's stupidity! I'm actually suprised his desk stopped a .45 round. That's one beast of a cartridge! I would assume a .45 would splinter any type of office furniture you put in it's. way! Someone upstairs was definitely looking out for your brother. That ****************head should have his man card pulled and should only be allowed to carry a Daisy BB gun!
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            • #51






              Quote Originally Posted by Y0UNGBL00D
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              newholland might want to take his dumb anti-this-particular-configuration-of-weapon out of the the thread created specifically for this particular configuration of weapon.



              though it is pretty fun to watch, and ive been at work since 6am on ****************ing xmas. i needed it.




              boy, you gun guys are sensitive and prone to be irrational right now. kinda sad, actually- that you can't answer questions without crying like a bunch of little girls having their dolly taken away. don't start to cry about how 'i'm stealing your personal liberties' and bull**************** like that- 'cause who wouldn't poke at that? i don't need to be some rabid anti gun nut to **************** with you when you pull bull**************** moves like that-- which i'm actually not anyhow. if you can't answer lucid questions-- you just come off looking like you're being furtive- and that does nothing to further any cause. i'll admit-- i'm not thrilled that people do dumb **************** with big firepower-- and having spent the better part of my adult life farming- i realize the value of guns. but like i said-- bolt action rifles make sense to me-- not semi or full autos.



              again- my question WAS, and still IS- why would you 'need' a clip with 20 rounds- which, larry- i appreciate you answering. but what is 'some kind of competitions'?



              oh, and youngblood-- dude. c'mon.



              there's a legitimate discussion going on the u.s. right now about these kinda things-- and i'm far from the most ill informed and knee-jerk critic you're gonna run into, and just asking a question. and nope-- not trying to steal liberties or push my anti-gun crazy on anybody-- but i do wonder why people want guns like this-- 'cause i don't know anybody who does.

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              • #52






                Quote Originally Posted by newholland
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                boy, you gun guys are sensitive and prone to be irrational right now. kinda sad, actually- that you can't answer questions without crying like a bunch of little girls having their dolly taken away. don't start to cry about how 'i'm stealing your personal liberties' and bull**************** like that- 'cause who wouldn't poke at that? i don't need to be some rabid anti gun nut to **************** with you when you pull bull**************** moves like that-- which i'm actually not anyhow. if you can't answer lucid questions-- you just come off looking like you're being furtive- and that does nothing to further any cause. i'll admit-- i'm not thrilled that people do dumb **************** with big firepower-- and having spent the better part of my adult life farming- i realize the value of guns. but like i said-- bolt action rifles make sense to me-- not semi or full autos.



                again- my question WAS, and still IS- why would you 'need' a clip with 20 rounds- which, larry- i appreciate you answering. but what is 'some kind of competitions'?



                oh, and youngblood-- dude. c'mon.



                there's a legitimate discussion going on the u.s. right now about these kinda things-- and i'm far from the most ill informed and knee-jerk critic you're gonna run into, and just asking a question. and nope-- not trying to steal liberties or push my anti-gun crazy on anybody-- but i do wonder why people want guns like this-- 'cause i don't know anybody who does.




                IPSC, Three-Gun, plain outlaw pistol matches, you name it.



                And don't expect people to have patience with someone proposing to outlaw their stuff, or even (for some posters) getting up squads of police and going house to house to come take them.



                The question of 'need' is a straw man, anyway, when it comes to guns. Let's try an analogy:



                What do you 'need' liquor for? Unless you're using it to sterilize wounds (right....) it's only purpose is 'enjoyment.' And alcohol is involved in more than 50% of all firearm deaths, more than 50% of all automobile accidents and a similar proportion of other accidental deaths. So when someone sells you a bottle of Vodka, the opportunity for you to use it to get drunk, get behind the wheel and kill someone is real, and it happens with startling frequency.



                Now, we as a society are 'trading' selling you that Vodka and the risks it presents if misused against only your personal 'enjoyment' of drinking it. It will not defend you from an intruder, from a wild dog, will not let you hunt for food, will not protect your country from invasion; it just makes you feel warm and fuzzy. And tens of thousands of times each year, people will misuse it and get behind the wheel, or handle a gun (or a power tool, or an airplane, or ?) and get someone hurt, maybe even 'hurt' to death.



                Logic would dictate that the societal trade-off for alcohol is all debit and no actual credit, once we discount (as you are doing for firearms) 'enjoyment.' And drunk drivers are a much, MUCH more real threat to each of us than a firearm, I believe.



                So when your concern for societal safety extends to alcohol-or cigarettes (again, no 'win' and all 'lose' for society)-then you can talk with me calmly about banning my guns. Until then, you're a threat and a hypocrite, and will be treated as such.
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                • #53






                  Quote Originally Posted by newholland
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                  boy, you gun guys are sensitive and prone to be irrational right now. kinda sad, actually- that you can't answer questions without crying like a bunch of little girls having their dolly taken away. don't start to cry about how 'i'm stealing your personal liberties' and bull**************** like that- 'cause who wouldn't poke at that? i don't need to be some rabid anti gun nut to **************** with you when you pull bull**************** moves like that-- which i'm actually not anyhow. if you can't answer lucid questions-- you just come off looking like you're being furtive- and that does nothing to further any cause. i'll admit-- i'm not thrilled that people do dumb **************** with big firepower-- and having spent the better part of my adult life farming- i realize the value of guns. but like i said-- bolt action rifles make sense to me-- not semi or full autos.



                  again- my question WAS, and still IS- why would you 'need' a clip with 20 rounds- which, larry- i appreciate you answering. but what is 'some kind of competitions'?



                  oh, and youngblood-- dude. c'mon.



                  there's a legitimate discussion going on the u.s. right now about these kinda things-- and i'm far from the most ill informed and knee-jerk critic you're gonna run into, and just asking a question. and nope-- not trying to steal liberties or push my anti-gun crazy on anybody-- but i do wonder why people want guns like this-- 'cause i don't know anybody who does.




                  because it is not fun constantly reloading your gun at the range.



                  do you carry extra strings with you when you play your guitar out of the house? why? because it's not fun having to put your guitar away when you break a string.
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                  • #54
                    Why I would want a 30 round magazine.



                    To use it.



                    Why I would want a semi automatic rifle.



                    To use it.





                    Not sure why any more than that answer is needed, to me it's the same as asking someone why they would want a kemper over a single channel tube amp. The answer would be the same.



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                    • #55
                      i haven't ever said anything about 'banning your guns'. that's entirely from your mind, and not my words, and i'd think you'd be hard pressed to validate that opinion with my own words. for what it's worth- i agree with you about alcohol, tobacco, AND guns- but i am grappling with why you think i'm coming to steal your firearms.



                      clearly, you get that i'm pointing out the value judgement inherent in the word 'need'- but that's totally independent of my thoughts regarding banning anything. look at it this way-- if you were to say 'i need $25000 speakers to enjoy music'-- i'dve responded similarly. if the statement was 'i WANT $25000 speakers to enjoy music the way i want'.. okay- that's different. nobody really NEEDS that-- you just want it, and that's intellectually honest. i NEED a 20 round clip? meh. dubious at best, and why i made a joke about it. i need it to compete in specific events? okay- fully makes sense, regardless of my opinion about it. nobody needs alcohol, tobacco, or guns, really.



                      half the problem with 'political discourse' nowadays is that people are all hair trigger at any comment. why the **************** would you assume that by opening my mouth, i'm coming to steal your guns is beyond me. not so. but me asking why you want them, or more particularly couched in the idea of 'need' them, i see as a pertinent question that could be asked by either side of the issue- one, because you should know if you believe it's true, and two, to answer those who disagree with you.



                      as i see it, i'm asking for clarification and intellectual honesty. but never said anything about banning anything-- it's a gray area for me- and i'm interested in why people want these things because it's a big old rats nest right now, and i'm hardly lobbing a hardball question.

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                        Quote Originally Posted by newholland
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                        i haven't ever said anything about 'banning your guns'. that's entirely from your mind, and not my words, and i'd think you'd be hard pressed to validate that opinion with my own words. for what it's worth- i agree with you about alcohol, tobacco, AND guns- but i am grappling with why you think i'm coming to steal your firearms.



                        clearly, you get that i'm pointing out the value judgement inherent in the word 'need'- but that's totally independent of my thoughts regarding banning anything. look at it this way-- if you were to say 'i need $25000 speakers to enjoy music'-- i'dve responded similarly. if the statement was 'i WANT $25000 speakers to enjoy music the way i want'.. okay- that's different. nobody really NEEDS that-- you just want it, and that's intellectually honest. i NEED a 20 round clip? meh. dubious at best, and why i made a joke about it. i need it to compete in specific events? okay- fully makes sense, regardless of my opinion about it. nobody needs alcohol, tobacco, or guns, really.



                        half the problem with 'political discourse' nowadays is that people are all hair trigger at any comment. why the **************** would you assume that by opening my mouth, i'm coming to steal your guns is beyond me. not so. but me asking why you want them, or more particularly couched in the idea of 'need' them, i see as a pertinent question that could be asked by either side of the issue- one, because you should know if you believe it's true, and two, to answer those who disagree with you.



                        as i see it, i'm asking for clarification and intellectual honesty. but never said anything about banning anything-- it's a gray area for me- and i'm interested in why people want these things because it's a big old rats nest right now, and i'm hardly lobbing a hardball question.




                        If you walk toward a bunch of people in a trench who are taking heavy incoming fire, don't wave something that looks like a gun at them. The 'need' question is a primary talking point of gun-grabbers everywhere, and something (as you've seen) that's treated harshly. Keep telling me what you don't think I 'need' and you'll find calm discourse very thin on the ground.



                        Oh, and stop using profanity and capitalize, if you want to be taken seriously-
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                          Quote Originally Posted by newholland
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                          i was quoting the OP, if you actually read it, and funny enough, i didn't express my opinion to you or anyone else. i asked what is commonly referred to as 'a question'-- which is a request for clarification through the transfer of information in an exchange known amongst humans without aspbergers syndrome as 'a conversation'. you may wish to google it, as apparently, it's a foreign concept to you. and just so you didn't miss the point, which you're seeming prone to do- i asked- jokingly, i might add- because he said the gun 'did what he was needing it to do'. need, friend, clearly has little to do with a les paul, strat, or a rifle in most circumstances. hence the 'point' of my 'question', was to laugh at that- a comment which was made by someone i've had little but positive interaction with.



                          sorry to've made such an affront to your way of life.








                          Ah...thanks for the clarification.



                          Are you sure you weren't trying to promote any certain personal agenda? It's just an honest question...don't get mad. We'd like to hope you'd answer honestly instead of feigning innocence.

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                            Why I would want a 30 round magazine.



                            To use it.



                            Why I would want a semi automatic rifle.



                            To use it.





                            Not sure why any more than that answer is needed, to me it's the same as asking someone why they would want a kemper over a single channel tube amp. The answer would be the same.



                            Gun owners that use firearms in a legal manner have nothing to be ashamed of, no matter what illogical argument is made otherwise.




                            sure. thing is, it's not the same. i want explosives because i can use explosives. i want snuff films 'cause i use snuff films. i want LSD because i use LSD. i want a russian sex slave because i use russian sex slaves. der. the existence of things doesn't mean you can have them because want to use them.



                            like i said-- it's not me wanting to TAKE said large magazines-- but having three 10 cartridge clips doesn't seem like an inconvenience. having a 30 cartridge clip seems like an excuse to mod a gun to full auto. i fully know it's the person shooting the gun that's gonna hurt people- and like i said-- i don't have a dog in the fight as i'm not a gun guy. but i do wonder why people pretend they're not aware why these things exist. it's not just to not reload once every 30 shots. c'mon.

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                              Quote Originally Posted by Matt Gnarly
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                              I gotta disagree, the fact that he's not going out and killing people doesn't negate the purpose and design of the gun. If you (a general you) like guns, that's fine, but please don't delude yourself into thinking that collecting guns is the same as collecting guitars, coins or stamps; only one was designed to kill and has the capacity to kill in high volume in certain hands.




                              So... you think a person shouldn't collect guns? Museums are FULL of them....same as stamps guitars and coins. CASE CLOSED.



                              And you think OTHER people are deluded, oh high and mighty condescending one? When will you people learn that it's not the object, but the Heart and Minds of Men that hurt and kill. Take away the object...and what is left but the Heart and Mind....the REAL weapons.

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