Members flip333 Posted May 25, 2007 Members Share Posted May 25, 2007 I saw this on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/VOLUME-BOX-4-PEAVEY-CLASSIC-30-50-5150-XXX-DELTA-BLUES_W0QQitemZ190116541535QQihZ009QQcategoryZ38073QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem It fits in the effects loop and is supposed to attenuate the amp volume so the power tubes saturate. I thought a real attenuator is inserted between the amp and the speaker. What do you think? I'm sure it cuts volume like a master volume but it does not look like a real attenuator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JKD Posted May 25, 2007 Members Share Posted May 25, 2007 Not an attenuator...this is just like putting a Volume pedal in the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted May 25, 2007 Members Share Posted May 25, 2007 Short answer: That ain't no attenuator. The long answer, someone will probably post soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComingApart Posted May 25, 2007 Members Share Posted May 25, 2007 no long answer needed. It's a potentiometer wired in between 2 jacks.I never figured anyone would buy one of these useless peices of crap, yet they've been on Ebay for years, so somebody's buying 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 25, 2007 Members Share Posted May 25, 2007 I saw this on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/VOLUME-BOX-4-PEAVEY-CLASSIC-30-50-5150-XXX-DELTA-BLUES_W0QQitemZ190116541535QQihZ009QQcategoryZ38073QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem It fits in the effects loop and is supposed to attenuate the amp volume so the power tubes saturate.I thought a real attenuator is inserted between the amp and the speaker.What do you think? I'm sure it cuts volume like a master volume but it does not look like a real attenuator.Kinda misleading by calling it a power soak, etc. But it doesn't say anying about power tubes, as you stated. (unless I missed it)You added that on your own. Why is that? Its not necessarily a useless device. In fact it can be very handy in certain instances. But it obviously ain't an attenuator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 25, 2007 Members Share Posted May 25, 2007 no long answer needed.It's a potentiometer wired in between 2 jacks.I never figured anyone would buy one of these useless peices of crap, yet they've been on Ebay for years, so somebody's buying 'em.There are situations where this device can be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComingApart Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 There are situations where this device can be useful. HAHA, You bought one...E-pwned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 HAHA, You bought one...E-pwned What a stupid comment. No, I didn't buy one. I did throw one together when I had my Subway Rocket. I was using the amp in a fairly quiet setting and, while I could get nice preamp tones at that volume, it was at a volume point where the master was really touchy. Nearly impossible to get the perfect volume that I wanted. One spot would be not quite loud enough and the slightest movement would make the volume jump too far. Adding another volume control allowed me to be able to put the amp's master volume above that spot and be able to adjust more easily. And these are also useful with some non-master volume amps in order to get a little preamp crunch going at slightly lower volumes. I guess you don't understand these things, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 HAHA, You bought one... E-pwned teh backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members branjispad Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 jebus christ 65,000+ posts? do you even play guitar? work? eat? sleep? choke the chicken? take a dump? drive a car? get out of your chair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 jebus christ 65,000+ posts? do you even play guitar? work? eat? sleep? choke the chicken? take a dump? drive a car? get out of your chair? You ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flip333 Posted May 26, 2007 Author Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 I didn't make up the power tube reference: THE VOLUME BOX!!! This is a VERY cool item, everyone knows that all tube amps sound AMAZING when cranked WAY up so that the tubes are really being pushed, but thats much too loud right? This simple little black box Its true the ad does not say this device will push your power tubes, but this first statement alludes to what the Volume box will do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phishmonkey Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 I've heard stories of these being used like attenuators and causing amp damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 Its true the ad does not say this device will push your power tubes, but this first statement alludes to what the Volume box will do.... Yes, I understand that. But they were careful to word it so that they aren't actually lying. And as I explained previously, this device can help you push your preamp tubes harder in certain situations w/o adding overall volume. And I think that preamp tubes that are pushed can sound really good too. Do you not agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComingApart Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 What a stupid comment. No, I didn't buy one. I did throw one together when I had my Subway Rocket. I was using the amp in a fairly quiet setting and, while I could get nice preamp tones at that volume, it was at a volume point where the master was really touchy. Nearly impossible to get the perfect volume that I wanted. One spot would be not quite loud enough and the slightest movement would make the volume jump too far. Adding another volume control allowed me to be able to put the amp's master volume above that spot and be able to adjust more easily. And these are also useful with some non-master volume amps in order to get a little preamp crunch going at slightly lower volumes. I guess you don't understand these things, eh? I still say they're useless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 I've heard stories of these being used like attenuators and causing amp damage. :eek: Well, ya. That would be very bad to put between your speaker out and your cab. But who would be that careless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 I still say they're useless...Have you used such a device in the loop of a non-master volume amp? Or in an amp with a jumpy master volume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phishmonkey Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 :eek: Well, ya. That would be very bad to put between your speaker out and your cab. But who would be that careless? Actually, I might be thinking of something else, there was some "power soak" labeled device that was {censored}ing things up mentioned in the carvin forum a long time ago. I think it was basically the same thing, except advertised as an actual attenuator. I can't remember what it was called... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComingApart Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 Have you used such a device in the loop of a non-master volume amp? Or in an amp with a jumpy master volume? No, actually, I've never owned an amp with an effects loop but no master volume.I have played them through small tube combo amps owned by others though and found them to be horrible replacements for a master volume. Maybe if it was used like you mentioned to help deal with a sensitive master volume it would have a use, but the results were very poor when it comes to achieving what they advertise. I see they've gone down in price too. I remember when they were going for $25+ on Ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phishmonkey Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 Have you used such a device in the loop of a non-master volume amp? Or in an amp with a jumpy master volume? Why not just buy a volume pedal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 26, 2007 Members Share Posted May 26, 2007 Why not just buy a volume pedal?Sure, that'll work too. But you don't see too many $10-15 volume pedals. And I'd prefer a pot to a pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ihventura Posted February 8, 2013 Members Share Posted February 8, 2013 Wont hurt amp. Just like putting an vol pedal in the effects loop. I used to use a boss eq for this job, but I felt it added too much noise.No, this is not like an active power soak. But the effect will be the same.An active unit will be better as it will carry more tone.But for 15 bucks for a living room appication... Why spend hundreds of dollars.If you were in a recording studio with your marshall stack or something that would be one thing but for living rooms? The haters here are silly if you asked me. Yeah, I bought one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaoloJM Posted February 10, 2013 Members Share Posted February 10, 2013 It would be useful for any amp with an FX Loop and no master volume. That's pretty much no amp that I can think of right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted February 11, 2013 Members Share Posted February 11, 2013 If you have a volume control after the preamp you can adjust the volume without affecting the gain structure as much. I use a Boss GT-8 in the loop of my amp, just for delay, reverb, and when I want to back off on volume without cleaning the tone up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted February 11, 2013 Members Share Posted February 11, 2013 Question for the gurus - If I have the volume turned way down in the loop, can I damage the preamp tubes by not loading them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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