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  • #76






    Quote Originally Posted by FastRedPonyCar
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    I have. My old guitarist has one of the newest versions of the 101b (for sale at rig talk actually) and there was nothing major different between the two being played side by side. there were minor differences in the voicing but nothing big.




    Gotcha...well then I guess it comes down to that thing called, "tastes" Everyone hears things different. I love mine, but I will admit, I realllllly want to play a nitro...bad.
    My project: http://www.myspace.com/humanconspiracymusic

    Bogner Ecstasy 101b :: Blackstar HT5-H :: Trinity Triwatt DR103 clone (Click to view build thread)
    Bogner 4x12 :: Genz Benz 2x12 :: Homebuilt 2x12 loaded with (2) Weber FC12's for the Triwatt

    Great Transactions: Skaaks, Skunx, CARRguitar, Zacman0126, theweight, heatfromcold, Ricky Bobby

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    • #77






      Quote Originally Posted by FastRedPonyCar
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      I have. My old guitarist has one of the newest versions of the 101b (for sale at rig talk actually) and there was nothing major different between the two being played side by side. there were minor differences in the voicing but nothing big.




      Gotcha...well then I guess it comes down to that thing called, "tastes" Everyone hears things different. I love mine, but I will admit, I realllllly want to play a nitro...bad.
      My project: http://www.myspace.com/humanconspiracymusic

      Bogner Ecstasy 101b :: Blackstar HT5-H :: Trinity Triwatt DR103 clone (Click to view build thread)
      Bogner 4x12 :: Genz Benz 2x12 :: Homebuilt 2x12 loaded with (2) Weber FC12's for the Triwatt

      Great Transactions: Skaaks, Skunx, CARRguitar, Zacman0126, theweight, heatfromcold, Ricky Bobby

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      • #78
        . . . and I'm back. Dayum. Quick little post jam review before I hit the hay for the night; tomorrow I'll probably go in depth a little more.



        Ok, a little background. Misle had his Fryette Sig:X running through a Fryette front loaded straight cab with the Pitbull speakers. KCTigerChief had his 101b though a V30 straight Bogner cab. The cabs and speakers to each amp are likely the best match you could put together for each rig. Ran my Jet City JCA100H through each cab, and then both cabs , but it sounded best through the Bogner cab.



        Guitar: Sterling AX40 (import version of MusicMan Axis, but no maple top), with a Peavey Wolfgang pickup in the bridge. Tuned to Eb drop C#.





        I played the Bogner first. Started green, blue, red. Green channel was really, really good. Didn't mess with any of those settings because I was pleased with how it was. Didn't have a whole lot of breakup, but was nice and fat sounding, and almost bell like on the neck pickup. Blue channel, I favored the Gain all the way up, and I can easily use that as a rhythm channel in my band. Boost function on Blue and Red channels is a slight volume boost, but kicks the gain into serious mode Red channel, loved it. Boosted Red was as heavy as I anticipated it to be. Not brutally heavy, but more than enough to get some damn good palm muted runs going. Didn't mess around with the Plexi modes much because like real Plexis, needs to be cranked. What I mentioned to Misle, was that what I noticed was something I wasn't used to in most of the amps I've owned/played. A slight amount of sag, mostly heard in the bottom end; the V30s probably aided in this as I found the Fryette cab a little tighter and articulate on the bottom end and a lot brighter than the Bogner cab. I'm used to playing on 6L6 amps that are fairly tight and articulate, but the sag in the 101b was actually something I liked. Almost like a subtle delay that fattens up the tone. Maybe its just me but it really stuck out to me. It's not an aggressive tone at all in my opinion, but it was fun playing.



        Then played the Sig:X halfstack. The controls/modes were reminiscent of Mesa Recs, so made sense once I started eyeing it. Rhythm channel was really good, and seemed a bit punchier than the 101b. The lead channel, same sort of structure I felt but with another gain stage. Immediately was familiar with the lead tone as it had a lot of similarities with my Jet City amp. Clean channel was also very good, but I would favor the 101b's clean overall.



        Then I hooked up my JCA100H to the Bogner cab and freaking loved it. I'm of course very biased here because I have 2+ years invested into this amp and know it's tone very well at this point. Plus I think I ran my Jet City louder than the other 2 rigs so the overall presence sounded better from my amp. Out of all the cabs and speakers I've tried, the V30 Bogner 4x12 wins. My Lynchbacks are great, but until I try a quad of those in a quality cab like that Bogner, the V30 Bogner cab is the one I should really pair it up with. As I noted earlier, the Pitbull loaded Fryette cab was also great sounding, but had a lot more highs and a tighter bottom end. I was able to adjust my EQ and get it on the same field as the V30s, but I preferred pushing the amp's EQ more through the V30s.



        Then Misle stopped me for a sec and said he had an idea. What, run the Jet City through both cabs? Of course! Running both complimented each other very well and I was able to retain the settings I used with the Bogner cab and it all sounded awesome.





        I was only able to mess with the amps for maybe an hour and a half, but I wish I had an entire day to tweak them because I'm sure I'd love the Bogner and Fryette even more. I could easily take either rig with my band and would do just fine, but I think that the *gasp* Fryette would edge out a win, given my band's style. My other guitarist plays a Triple Rec through a G-Flex, and I think the Fryette would compliment that tone better than the Bogner could.



        FRPC, I can side with you on your opinion of the 101b. After you mentioned that "oomph" that it seems to lack, that exactly what I was hearing too. I'm so used to amps that are built or capable of very heavy metal, but haven't played with non-high gain amps like that much. If I stuck to AIC inspired rhythms like I've been playing every now and then, I'd pick that 101b in a heartbeat.



        Off to bed gents . . .
        Jet City EarhartJet City JCA100H -> Avatar 2x12 -> Celestion LynchbacksPRS SE 245Sterling AX40FOR SALEBuy/sell/trade referencesMy primary band page (Seventh Day)My secondary band page (Adam Evolving)Proud member of the Jet Setters (Jet City Lounge)

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        • #79
          . . . and I'm back. Dayum. Quick little post jam review before I hit the hay for the night; tomorrow I'll probably go in depth a little more.



          Ok, a little background. Misle had his Fryette Sig:X running through a Fryette front loaded straight cab with the Pitbull speakers. KCTigerChief had his 101b though a V30 straight Bogner cab. The cabs and speakers to each amp are likely the best match you could put together for each rig. Ran my Jet City JCA100H through each cab, and then both cabs , but it sounded best through the Bogner cab.



          Guitar: Sterling AX40 (import version of MusicMan Axis, but no maple top), with a Peavey Wolfgang pickup in the bridge. Tuned to Eb drop C#.





          I played the Bogner first. Started green, blue, red. Green channel was really, really good. Didn't mess with any of those settings because I was pleased with how it was. Didn't have a whole lot of breakup, but was nice and fat sounding, and almost bell like on the neck pickup. Blue channel, I favored the Gain all the way up, and I can easily use that as a rhythm channel in my band. Boost function on Blue and Red channels is a slight volume boost, but kicks the gain into serious mode Red channel, loved it. Boosted Red was as heavy as I anticipated it to be. Not brutally heavy, but more than enough to get some damn good palm muted runs going. Didn't mess around with the Plexi modes much because like real Plexis, needs to be cranked. What I mentioned to Misle, was that what I noticed was something I wasn't used to in most of the amps I've owned/played. A slight amount of sag, mostly heard in the bottom end; the V30s probably aided in this as I found the Fryette cab a little tighter and articulate on the bottom end and a lot brighter than the Bogner cab. I'm used to playing on 6L6 amps that are fairly tight and articulate, but the sag in the 101b was actually something I liked. Almost like a subtle delay that fattens up the tone. Maybe its just me but it really stuck out to me. It's not an aggressive tone at all in my opinion, but it was fun playing.



          Then played the Sig:X halfstack. The controls/modes were reminiscent of Mesa Recs, so made sense once I started eyeing it. Rhythm channel was really good, and seemed a bit punchier than the 101b. The lead channel, same sort of structure I felt but with another gain stage. Immediately was familiar with the lead tone as it had a lot of similarities with my Jet City amp. Clean channel was also very good, but I would favor the 101b's clean overall.



          Then I hooked up my JCA100H to the Bogner cab and freaking loved it. I'm of course very biased here because I have 2+ years invested into this amp and know it's tone very well at this point. Plus I think I ran my Jet City louder than the other 2 rigs so the overall presence sounded better from my amp. Out of all the cabs and speakers I've tried, the V30 Bogner 4x12 wins. My Lynchbacks are great, but until I try a quad of those in a quality cab like that Bogner, the V30 Bogner cab is the one I should really pair it up with. As I noted earlier, the Pitbull loaded Fryette cab was also great sounding, but had a lot more highs and a tighter bottom end. I was able to adjust my EQ and get it on the same field as the V30s, but I preferred pushing the amp's EQ more through the V30s.



          Then Misle stopped me for a sec and said he had an idea. What, run the Jet City through both cabs? Of course! Running both complimented each other very well and I was able to retain the settings I used with the Bogner cab and it all sounded awesome.





          I was only able to mess with the amps for maybe an hour and a half, but I wish I had an entire day to tweak them because I'm sure I'd love the Bogner and Fryette even more. I could easily take either rig with my band and would do just fine, but I think that the *gasp* Fryette would edge out a win, given my band's style. My other guitarist plays a Triple Rec through a G-Flex, and I think the Fryette would compliment that tone better than the Bogner could.



          FRPC, I can side with you on your opinion of the 101b. After you mentioned that "oomph" that it seems to lack, that exactly what I was hearing too. I'm so used to amps that are built or capable of very heavy metal, but haven't played with non-high gain amps like that much. If I stuck to AIC inspired rhythms like I've been playing every now and then, I'd pick that 101b in a heartbeat.



          Off to bed gents . . .
          Jet City EarhartJet City JCA100H -> Avatar 2x12 -> Celestion LynchbacksPRS SE 245Sterling AX40FOR SALEBuy/sell/trade referencesMy primary band page (Seventh Day)My secondary band page (Adam Evolving)Proud member of the Jet Setters (Jet City Lounge)

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          • #80
            That's a very very good review of both amps actually. When Matt and I play together, the two amps compliment each other very well. And I think you nailed the differences down quite perfectly. I was texting matt earlier, and I told him I wasn't surprised the Fryette would work better for you, knowing your style. But I do think the Bogner red with the boost on could hang up with your style enough. Though the fryette certainly is a bit more aggressive amp.



            Glad you got a chance to give them the run through man!
            My project: http://www.myspace.com/humanconspiracymusic

            Bogner Ecstasy 101b :: Blackstar HT5-H :: Trinity Triwatt DR103 clone (Click to view build thread)
            Bogner 4x12 :: Genz Benz 2x12 :: Homebuilt 2x12 loaded with (2) Weber FC12's for the Triwatt

            Great Transactions: Skaaks, Skunx, CARRguitar, Zacman0126, theweight, heatfromcold, Ricky Bobby

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            • #81
              That's a very very good review of both amps actually. When Matt and I play together, the two amps compliment each other very well. And I think you nailed the differences down quite perfectly. I was texting matt earlier, and I told him I wasn't surprised the Fryette would work better for you, knowing your style. But I do think the Bogner red with the boost on could hang up with your style enough. Though the fryette certainly is a bit more aggressive amp.



              Glad you got a chance to give them the run through man!
              My project: http://www.myspace.com/humanconspiracymusic

              Bogner Ecstasy 101b :: Blackstar HT5-H :: Trinity Triwatt DR103 clone (Click to view build thread)
              Bogner 4x12 :: Genz Benz 2x12 :: Homebuilt 2x12 loaded with (2) Weber FC12's for the Triwatt

              Great Transactions: Skaaks, Skunx, CARRguitar, Zacman0126, theweight, heatfromcold, Ricky Bobby

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              • #82






                Quote Originally Posted by sahlomonic
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                FRPC, I can side with you on your opinion of the 101b. After you mentioned that "oomph" that it seems to lack, that exactly what I was hearing too.




                Man you should have been at the augusta ampfest last year. Mufasa took everyone's virginity that day... EVERYONE'S. It even slapped the Fortin around like a little bitch
                Guitars
                Tokai LS150 - Sheptone Bryan Kahaek Signature pickups - Mystic Dream MM JP6 - G&L Comanche

                Amps - Cabs
                Splawn "MUFASA" Nitro - Mako MAK4 Preamp - Jet City 100H w/JJ KT66's, 22H & Pico Valve - Whitebox Engineering 2x12, PortCity OS212 - Splawn 4X12

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                • #83






                  Quote Originally Posted by sahlomonic
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                  FRPC, I can side with you on your opinion of the 101b. After you mentioned that "oomph" that it seems to lack, that exactly what I was hearing too.




                  Man you should have been at the augusta ampfest last year. Mufasa took everyone's virginity that day... EVERYONE'S. It even slapped the Fortin around like a little bitch
                  Guitars
                  Tokai LS150 - Sheptone Bryan Kahaek Signature pickups - Mystic Dream MM JP6 - G&L Comanche

                  Amps - Cabs
                  Splawn "MUFASA" Nitro - Mako MAK4 Preamp - Jet City 100H w/JJ KT66's, 22H & Pico Valve - Whitebox Engineering 2x12, PortCity OS212 - Splawn 4X12

                  Kemper Profiling Amp - u mad?

                  Visit my music page

                  Watch my amp demo videos on Youtube

                  Member of the Jet Setters

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                  • #84
                    FRPC, were you able to run your XTC through a Bogner 4x12? Could be what was missing I know the Bogner Uberschall sounds best through its Uberkab. Tried the Uber through my Soldano 4x12 (with the speakers you now have), and just wasn't the same.
                    Jet City EarhartJet City JCA100H -> Avatar 2x12 -> Celestion LynchbacksPRS SE 245Sterling AX40FOR SALEBuy/sell/trade referencesMy primary band page (Seventh Day)My secondary band page (Adam Evolving)Proud member of the Jet Setters (Jet City Lounge)

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                    • #85
                      FRPC, were you able to run your XTC through a Bogner 4x12? Could be what was missing I know the Bogner Uberschall sounds best through its Uberkab. Tried the Uber through my Soldano 4x12 (with the speakers you now have), and just wasn't the same.
                      Jet City EarhartJet City JCA100H -> Avatar 2x12 -> Celestion LynchbacksPRS SE 245Sterling AX40FOR SALEBuy/sell/trade referencesMy primary band page (Seventh Day)My secondary band page (Adam Evolving)Proud member of the Jet Setters (Jet City Lounge)

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                      • #86






                        Quote Originally Posted by sahlomonic
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                        FRPC, were you able to run your XTC through a Bogner 4x12? Could be what was missing I know the Bogner Uberschall sounds best through its Uberkab. Tried the Uber through my Soldano 4x12 (with the speakers you now have), and just wasn't the same.




                        yeah I ran both my classic and his 101b through his uberkab and another friend's XTC cab.



                        The amp is good, that's not the problem. The problem is that it simply is not as powerful and clear/clean of an amp on stage as the nitro and it's kinda one of those things where once you are accustomed to hearing and feeling the sound being delivered a certain way, it's hard for your ears to go to anything else.



                        The XTC's both had a smoother and more compressed attack where as the nitro has a much more clean/percussive "thwack" to the sound.
                        Guitars
                        Tokai LS150 - Sheptone Bryan Kahaek Signature pickups - Mystic Dream MM JP6 - G&L Comanche

                        Amps - Cabs
                        Splawn "MUFASA" Nitro - Mako MAK4 Preamp - Jet City 100H w/JJ KT66's, 22H & Pico Valve - Whitebox Engineering 2x12, PortCity OS212 - Splawn 4X12

                        Kemper Profiling Amp - u mad?

                        Visit my music page

                        Watch my amp demo videos on Youtube

                        Member of the Jet Setters

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                        • #87






                          Quote Originally Posted by sahlomonic
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                          FRPC, were you able to run your XTC through a Bogner 4x12? Could be what was missing I know the Bogner Uberschall sounds best through its Uberkab. Tried the Uber through my Soldano 4x12 (with the speakers you now have), and just wasn't the same.




                          yeah I ran both my classic and his 101b through his uberkab and another friend's XTC cab.



                          The amp is good, that's not the problem. The problem is that it simply is not as powerful and clear/clean of an amp on stage as the nitro and it's kinda one of those things where once you are accustomed to hearing and feeling the sound being delivered a certain way, it's hard for your ears to go to anything else.



                          The XTC's both had a smoother and more compressed attack where as the nitro has a much more clean/percussive "thwack" to the sound.
                          Guitars
                          Tokai LS150 - Sheptone Bryan Kahaek Signature pickups - Mystic Dream MM JP6 - G&L Comanche

                          Amps - Cabs
                          Splawn "MUFASA" Nitro - Mako MAK4 Preamp - Jet City 100H w/JJ KT66's, 22H & Pico Valve - Whitebox Engineering 2x12, PortCity OS212 - Splawn 4X12

                          Kemper Profiling Amp - u mad?

                          Visit my music page

                          Watch my amp demo videos on Youtube

                          Member of the Jet Setters

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                          • #88






                            Quote Originally Posted by sahlomonic
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                            FRPC, were you able to run your XTC through a Bogner 4x12? Could be what was missing I know the Bogner Uberschall sounds best through its Uberkab. Tried the Uber through my Soldano 4x12 (with the speakers you now have), and just wasn't the same.




                            yeah I ran both my classic and his 101b through his uberkab and another friend's XTC cab.



                            The amp is good, that's not the problem. The problem is that it simply is not as powerful and clear/clean of an amp on stage as the nitro and it's kinda one of those things where once you are accustomed to hearing and feeling the sound being delivered a certain way, it's hard for your ears to go to anything else.



                            The XTC's both had a smoother and more compressed attack where as the nitro has a much more clean/percussive "thwack" to the sound.
                            Guitars
                            Tokai LS150 - Sheptone Bryan Kahaek Signature pickups - Mystic Dream MM JP6 - G&L Comanche

                            Amps - Cabs
                            Splawn "MUFASA" Nitro - Mako MAK4 Preamp - Jet City 100H w/JJ KT66's, 22H & Pico Valve - Whitebox Engineering 2x12, PortCity OS212 - Splawn 4X12

                            Kemper Profiling Amp - u mad?

                            Visit my music page

                            Watch my amp demo videos on Youtube

                            Member of the Jet Setters

                            Comment


                            • #89






                              Quote Originally Posted by sahlomonic
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                              FRPC, were you able to run your XTC through a Bogner 4x12? Could be what was missing I know the Bogner Uberschall sounds best through its Uberkab. Tried the Uber through my Soldano 4x12 (with the speakers you now have), and just wasn't the same.




                              yeah I ran both my classic and his 101b through his uberkab and another friend's XTC cab.



                              The amp is good, that's not the problem. The problem is that it simply is not as powerful and clear/clean of an amp on stage as the nitro and it's kinda one of those things where once you are accustomed to hearing and feeling the sound being delivered a certain way, it's hard for your ears to go to anything else.



                              The XTC's both had a smoother and more compressed attack where as the nitro has a much more clean/percussive "thwack" to the sound.
                              Guitars
                              Tokai LS150 - Sheptone Bryan Kahaek Signature pickups - Mystic Dream MM JP6 - G&L Comanche

                              Amps - Cabs
                              Splawn "MUFASA" Nitro - Mako MAK4 Preamp - Jet City 100H w/JJ KT66's, 22H & Pico Valve - Whitebox Engineering 2x12, PortCity OS212 - Splawn 4X12

                              Kemper Profiling Amp - u mad?

                              Visit my music page

                              Watch my amp demo videos on Youtube

                              Member of the Jet Setters

                              Comment


                              • #90






                                Quote Originally Posted by KCTigerChief
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                                That's a very very good review of both amps actually. When Matt and I play together, the two amps compliment each other very well. And I think you nailed the differences down quite perfectly. I was texting matt earlier, and I told him I wasn't surprised the Fryette would work better for you, knowing your style. But I do think the Bogner red with the boost on could hang up with your style enough. Though the fryette certainly is a bit more aggressive amp.



                                Glad you got a chance to give them the run through man!




                                Thanks for letting me run it through the paces. BTW what tubes are you running in there? Matt and I talked a bit about the 101a - I wonder if I would like the 6L6 version more.



                                One thing I'm certain of, I'm in love with Bogner cabs. Even if I don't end up getting an XTC I'd still want one of those cabs.
                                Jet City EarhartJet City JCA100H -> Avatar 2x12 -> Celestion LynchbacksPRS SE 245Sterling AX40FOR SALEBuy/sell/trade referencesMy primary band page (Seventh Day)My secondary band page (Adam Evolving)Proud member of the Jet Setters (Jet City Lounge)

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