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  • #16
    Originally posted by fastplant


    Interesting, I've had quite a few Mackie mixers and I think my Behringer sounds better. Maybe I have a higher end Behringer, it was a bit pricey.


    As I mentionned earlier, Behringer and Mackie preamps are very similar. Behringer is know for "reverse engineering" competitiors product. Their preamps are basically the same with just a few components changed so they can get away with it (and Behringer cuts more corner to build them).

    But honestly, it's not like Mackie is a reference... They're good at marketing, but their products are average at best.
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    • #17
      Hardtailed,
      Not every Peavey product is excellent, they do have some products such as their cheaper monitors that are decent at best, but most people will tell you that Peavey gear holds up great and most of it sounds good. I have used a lot of their gear and never had a problem. Some of their cheaper monitors sound a little muddy, but in some casses it is operator error. I think if you ask around you will find that every brand has some complaints, and Peavey has a good track record for good quality products. By the way don't base you opinions on rented gear (not saying you are), rented gear is never a way to judge quality. People beat the crap out of rented gear.
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      • #18
        i would dissagree with anyone saying that peavey gear is cheap stuff and fails often. i've been using peavey pa gear for the last 15 or so years. alot of our speakers are homemade with peavey woofers in them. we use a lot of peavey amps. although we have had some failures on peavey gear(maybe 3 times in 20 years) i am well pleased with their product. just about all manufactures make professional grade and cheaper grades. if you buy cheaper you run the risk of more failures. or sound man who has been running sound for 25 years and is an electronics technician for morrison brothers music and charles hall music in mississippi is featured on page 96 in the new peavey monitor magazine with some equipment of his. read the article. he can tell you how good peavey equipment is.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by fuzzball
          By the way don't base you opinions on rented gear (not saying you are), rented gear is never a way to judge quality. People beat the crap out of rented gear.


          No don't worry, I'm talking about owned stuff. All the rental places I deal with would never rent Peavey gear (honestly). Yorkville and Yamaha? Yes some of them. Actually, we've got a kick ass sound once with a "medium" Yamaha board (I thought it was a big one until another soundman showed up with a Yamaha PM3000C at another gig, now THAT is a big board) and Yorkville speakers which were composed of powered "tops" (4 of them) and passive subs with something like a Crown or QSC power amp. What was in the rack was pretty low key (Behringer and Samson compressors and effects) but the guy behind the board was a genius, the sound was kicking.

          Our preferred soundman is the guy with the PM3000C, he use Drawmer compressors and gates, Lexicon and Yamaha reverb (even has a TL tube mic preamp) and higher-end EV speakers (with dual 12" in the tops instead of the typical 15": much better mids, and dual 18" subs). Not a single powered speaker or monitor. He provides us with 4 monitor mixes (a rare occurence it seems!) and have 31 band Ashly EQ on all mixes plus the mains. He also has a plethora of cool mics (like 5 MD421 "just in case"). But the whole thing is close to a 1/4 M$ (really!). So I guess it's not the kind of PA that a band would own!
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          • #20
            Originally posted by fastplant
            Interesting, I've had quite a few Mackie mixers and I think my Behringer sounds better. Maybe I have a higher end Behringer, it was a bit pricey.
            I guese as with everything, all brands have different level of units.


            There has been alot of defense for the Peavey stuff. I too owned a Peavey Mixer that worked fine for 10 years. Rugged, yes indeed. Quality sound, not so much.

            It's hard to tell the difference sometimes because you are not in a situation where you are comparing two systems side by side.

            I know now that with my Mackie 1604 vlz everything sounds crystle clear and the side effect of that is that you do not need to turn things loud to be heard. Every channel has it's distinct sound. I play my guitar real low in the mix and yet people tell me that they can hear every little thing. It seems that our mixes are now more forgiving.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Hardtailed


              As I mentionned earlier, Behringer and Mackie preamps are very similar. Behringer is know for "reverse engineering" competitiors product. Their preamps are basically the same with just a few components changed so they can get away with it (and Behringer cuts more corner to build them).
              One of the first things you notice is that the mackie board weighs about three times what the berringer does. I am using my mackie for recording now and the results are great.

              I remember once I opened up for another group and we each had our own PA set up. ours was Berringer and theirs was mackie. When we made an anouncement with ours, it was hard to understand. When we switched to the mackie, it was clearer and the message was delivered much better.

              It seems that most music stores in my area have berringer as their low end stuff and mackie as one of the high end stuff. If Berringer does make a quality unit, at least the stores around here are not selling it.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by LosBoleros
                One of the first things you notice is that the mackie board weighs about three times what the berringer does. I am using my mackie for recording now and the results are great.


                That's because they use cheaper components
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                • #23
                  I think you have to judge Behringer gear on a case by case basis. Some of it is great, some of it is awful, and all of it is inconsistent as far as QC is concerned.

                  My Behringer FX unit is brilliant; it sounds fantastic and is still working perfectly, 2 years and many gigs on. However, it appears to be the exception to the rule in terms of reliability and quality control.

                  In my experience, their mixers are great for people starting out as they give a good feature set for the price and enable people to start putting a system together. They are not, however, comparable to A&H, Mackie or Soundcraft in terms of quality and longevity.

                  Their rack gear (compressors, gates, FX) seems to be better, and there's been less reverse engineering going on as well. Their compressors are becoming more and more ubiquitous amongst UK hire companies, I see more and more of it about at festivals and gigs.

                  I wouldn't recommend their speakers, though. They're well made, carpeted and solidly put together, but they sound mushy and indistinct. A friend of mine had one of their wedges arrive dead, and another fail soon after.

                  Just my personal experiences, hope it helps.

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                  • #24
                    My poor experiences with Peavey have mostly been with their power amps, though I can't say I've been all that pleased with their mixers. FOH speakers and monitors are sort of a different thing altogether. I've found decent Peavey cabs and I've found junky ones too. I wouldn't discriminate with anything other than my ears when it comes to speakers/monitors because it's damn near impossible to break them.
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                    • #25
                      I have used many Peavey power amps and several of there mixers, I have not had any problem with any of them. I have also had good experience with their monitors.
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                      • #26
                        I own a Behringer PMX 2000 PA and one of their acoustic amps. Make no bones about it they are low end and made cheaply. But I wasn't able to afford any more at the time so I went for it and have been using both items for 3 years now, giging weekly. The amp has died once but was covered under warranty. The sound IMO is just fine, but I'm not playing at ridiculous levels either. I've owned their mixing boards and had trouble with channels going out, but I've owned other brands that have done the same thing.
                        I thing the thing to keep in mind is the old addage...you get what you pay for, but I have to say that the Behinger gear that I have has performed pretty well considering the price I payed for it. IMO.....
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                        • #27
                          A friend of mine gigged pretty hard with a Behringer 16 XLR (forget model number offhand) board for 2-3 years. Only recently was he having any problems with it. He did keep in an SKB case but didn't baby it.

                          My band got a new Behringer board about 6-8 months ago, the SL3242FX-Pro and have had no problems with it so far.

                          I have a small Behringer at home, (1604A) - hardly any use and have problems with one of the channels occasionally.

                          Your mileage may vary.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Blackwatch

                            I thing the thing to keep in mind is the old addage...you get what you pay for,


                            I don't know a damn thing about PA's but I've seen and brought enough guitars to know that the "get what you pay for" adage isn't always true. One of the most mediocre and uninspiring guitars I ever played was a Gibson les-paul that set the owner back over

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                            • #29
                              All of the mixing boards I have are Behringer and is the PA we have. Most of their stuff sounds great and in pretty reliable. They are cheap just because the company wants to be a good bargain for musicians. I recently tried some of their new bass guitar stuff and their bass amps and cabs sound awsome and are pretty cheap.
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                              • #30
                                I'm not very knowledgeable about sound gear overall, but I like what's been working for me for 12 years, and that's Peavey PA gear. I've had an XR600 powered mixer that's needed work twice - once when someone spilled a margarita down the back of it and once when an XLR jack broke. My mains are Peavey 15"s with a horn and the monitors are 12"s. No problems ever with any of them. I have an old Peavey 120/120 2 channel power amp that I run monitors with when I need them, and I use the monitors for mains in smaller places.

                                That being said, I know the limitations of some of this stuff. I don't push too much bottom end through them because they won't take it without sounding like ****************. I have PAS and JBL cabs at my disposal should the need arise, plus PAS subs.

                                My rig's days may be numbered as the lead guitarist and I are about to combine our gear and make a more "full-service" PA, but really, you'd be suprised how a little system can go a long way.
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