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  • Young cover bands?

    As we keep hashing out the future of live music, I'm wondering what the future holds for cover bands. Not corp/wedding stuff, but covers in bars/clubs.

    I don't go out too much anymore when I'm not gigging, but for the most part I don't see many young (twenty-something) cover bands. Most are over 30, experienced players with varying setlists.

    At 46, I came of age during the 80's heyday of touring cover bands. I WANTED to be in a killer cover band playing all the badass songs I loved listening to. I still enjoy learning new songs whether it's a classic or a brand new Maroon 5 or Pink song...

    Do any young players aspire to play covers anymore?

    Then of course the question that begs to be asked is if you are 21ish and in a cover band, what does your setlist look like compared to us geezers? ;-)

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  • #2

    a lot of agency bands are filled with fresh faced kids. 

    here is some song lists i found from a few bands: i just copied and paste so there may be dups

    3OH!3 - Don't Trust Me

    ADELE/GNARLS BARKLEY - Rolling In The 
    Deep/Crazy MASHUP

    ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS - Gives You Hell, Dirty Little Secret

    ALEX CLARE/ELLIE GOULDING - Too Close/Lights MASHUP

    AMERICAN HI-FI - Flavor of the Weak

    AVRIL LAVIGNE/THE TING TINGS - What The Hell/That's Not My Name MASHUP

    AVICII - Wake Me Up

    BASTILLE - Pompeii

    BEATLES - Twist & Shout

    BIG N RICH- Save A Horse (Ride A Cowboy)

    BILLY JOEL MASHUP - Only The Good Die Young/ Still Rock n Roll To Me

    BLACKSTREET - No Diggity

    BLINK 182 - All The Small Things, What's My Age Again

    BLUR - Song 2

    BON JOVI - Livin' On A Prayer

    BREATHE CAROLINA - Blackout

    BRITNEY SPEARS - ...Baby One More Time/Womanizer/I Wanna Go/Till The World Ends 
    MASHUP

    BRITNEY SPEARS/MIKE POSNER/KATY PERRY - Womanizer/Cooler Than Me/I Kissed A Girl MASHUP

    BRUNO MARS - Locked Out Of Heaven, When I Was Your Man

    BRYAN ADAMS - Summer Of 69

    CARLY RAE JEPSON / KATY PERRY - Call Me Maybe/Teenage Dream MASHUP

    CEE LO GREEN - Forget You

    COOLIO/DESTINY'S CHILD- Gansta's Paradise/ Survivor MASHUP

    CUPID/CALI SWAG DISTRICT/SOULJA BOY - Cupid Shuffle/Teach Me How To Dougie/Crank That 
    MASHUP

    DARKNESS - I Believe In A Thing Called Love

    DESTINY'S CHILD/BRITNEY SPEARS -Say My Name/ Hold It Against Me MASHUP

    DIRTY HEADS - Lay Me Down

    DROPKICK MURPHY'S - Shipping Up To Boston

    EDDY MONEY - Take Me Home Tonight

    ENRIQUE IGLESIAS/BRUNO MARS/PITBULL - Tonight I'm Loving You/Grenade/Hey Baby MASHUP

    EVE 6 - Inside Out

    FALL OUT BOY - Sugar We're Goin Down, My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark

    FAR EAST MOVEMENT/USHER - Like A G6/DJ Got Us Falling In Love MASHUP

    FLO RIDA/BLACK EYED PEAS - Club Can't Handle Me Right Now/I Gotta Feeling MASHUP

    FLO RIDA/COBRA STARSHIP - Good Feeling/Good Girls Go Bad MASHUP

    FLO RIDA/FUN MASHUP - Whistle/ Some Nights

    FLORIDA GEORGIA LINE - Cruise

    FOUNDATIONS - Build Me Up Buttercup

    FOUNTAINS OF WAYNE - Stacy's Mom

    FUN - We Are Young/Carry On Mashup

    GIN BLOSSOMS - Hey Jealousy

    GOOD CHARLOTTE - Anthem, Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous

    GOTYE / LADY GAGA - Somebody I used To Know/Just Dance Mashup

    GYM CLASS HEROES ft. ADAM LEVINE - Stereo Hearts

    HARVEY DANGER - Flagpole Sitta

    HOT CHELLE RAE - Tonight Tonight

    HOUSE OF PAIN - Jump Around

    ICONA POP/LA ROUX - I Love It/Bulletproof Mashup

    IMAGINE DRAGONS- Radioactive

    IMAGINE DRAGONS/LUMINEERS - It's Time/Ho Hey Mashup

    JASON MRAZ - I'm Yours

    JESSIE J/BLACK EYED PEAS - Price Tag/Where Is The Love Mashup

    JESSIE J / KATY PERRY - Domino / Firework Mashup

    JET - Are You Gonna Be My Girl

    JIMMY EAT WORLD - The Middle

    JOHN MELLENCAMP - Jack And Diane

    JOURNEY - Don't Stop Believin'

    JUSTIN BIEBER/TYGA MASHUP- Rack City / Boyfriend

    JUSTIN BIEBER/SEAN KINGSTON - Baby/Beautiful Girls MASHUP

    JUSTIN BIEBER/WILL.I.AM- #this Power/Scream & Shout MASHUP

    KANYE WEST/2PAC ft. DR.DRE - Stronger/California Love MASHUP

    KARMIN/WHITNEY HOUSETON - Brokenhearted/I Wanna Dance With Somebody Mashup

    KATY PERRY - I Kissed A Girl, Roar

    KATY PERRY/FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Last Friday Night/Pumped Up Kicks MASHUP

    KE$HA - Tik Tok, We R Who We R/Blah Blah Blah/Your Love Is My Drug MASHUP, Die Young

    KILLERS - Mr. Brightside

    LADY GAGA / GOTYE - Just Dance / Somebody That I Used to Know Mashup

    LIT - My Own Worst Enemy

    LMFAO/USHER - Shots/OMG MASHUP

    LMFAO/ZOMBIE NATION - Party Rock Anthem/Kernkraft 400 MASHUP

    LMFAO/PSY - Gangnam Style/ Sexy and I Know It Mashup

    LONELY ISLAND - I Just Had Sex

    LORDE - Royals

    LUKE BRYAN - Country Girl

    LUSTRA - Scotty Doesn't Know

    MACKLEMORE - Thrift Shop, Can't Hold Us, White Walls

    MAROON 5 - This Love, Payphone, One More Night

    MICHAEL JACKSON/ WILD CHERRY: Billie Jean / Play That Funky Music Mahsup

    MILEY CYRUS - Party In The USA, Wrecking Ball

    MILEY CYRUS/RIHANNA - We Can't Stop/Umbrella MASHUP

    NEIL DIAMOND - Sweet Caroline

    NELLY - Ride Wit Me, Hot In Here

    NEON TREES - Animal, Everybody Talks

    NINE DAYS - Absolutely (Story Of A Girl)

    NSYNC/BACKSTREET BOYS - Bye Bye Bye/Everybody (Backstreet's Back)/Larger Than Life MASHUP

    OASIS - Wonderwall

    OLD CROW MEDICINE SHOW - Wagon Wheel

    ONE DIRECTION - What Makes You Beautiful, Best Song Ever, Story of My Life

    OTIS DAY AND THE KNIGHTS - Shout

    OUTFIELD - Your Love

    OWL CITY & CARLY RAE JEPSON - Good Time

    PANIC AT THE DISCO - I Write Sins Not Tragedies

    PARAMORE - Misery Business, Still In To You

    PHILLIP PHILLIPS - Gone, Gone, Gone

    PINK - Raise Your Glass, So What

    PITBULL/CALVIN HARRIS- Feel This Moment/Feel So Close MASHUP

    PITBULL & KE$HA - Timber

    PROCLAIMERS/BEATLES/GUNS N' ROSES - I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles)/Hey Jude/Paradise City MASHUP

    QUEEN/FLO RIDA/LUDACRIS - Fat Bottomed Girls/Bottoms Up/What's Your Fantasy MASHUP

    R. KELLY - Ignition Remix

    RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - Under The Bridge

    RICK SPRINGFIELD - Jessie's Girl

    RIHANNA/LADY GAGA - S&M/Bad Romance MASHUP

    ROMANITCS - What I Like About You

    ROBIN THICKE/DAFT PUNK- Blurred Lines/Get Lucky MASHUP

    SEAN KINGSTON/FLO RIDA - Fire Burning/Low MASHUP

    SELENA GOMEZ - Come & Get It

    SMASH MOUTH - All Star

    SNOOP DOGG & WIZ KHALIFA - Young Wild & Free

    SPIN DOCTORS - Two Princes

    STEVE MILLER BAND/SHAGGY - The Joker/Angel MASHUP

    SUBLIME - Santeria

    SUBLIME/SUGAR RAY - What I Got/Fly MASHUP

    SUM 41- Fat Lip

    SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA - Don't You Worry Child

    TAYLOR SWIFT - We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together, I Knew You Were Trouble, 22

    THE WANTED/NICKI MINAJ - Glad You Came/ Starships Mashup

    THIRD EYE BLIND - Jumper, Semi-Charmed Life

    TAIO CRUZ/KATY PERRY - Dynamite/California Gurls MASHUP

    TLC - No Scrubs

    TOM PETTY - American Girl

    TRAIN - Drive By

    VIOLENT FEMMES - Blister In The Sun

    WHEATUS - Teenage Dirtbag

    WHITE STRIPES/GARY GLITTER - Seven Nation Army/Rock'n'Roll (Penn State Football Style) MASHUP 

    WILD CHERRY / MICHAEL JACKSON - Play That Funky Music/Billie Jean MASHUP

    WILLOW SMITH - Whip My Hair

    YELLOWCARD - Ocean Avenue

    ZAC BROWN BAND - Chicken Fried

    ZEDD - Clarity

    ADELE - Rolling In the Deep

    ALEX CLARE - Too Close

    ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS - Gives You Hell 

    AMERICAN HI-FI - Flavor Of the Weak

    A$AP ROCKY - Problems

    AVICII - Wake Me Up

    BACKSTREET BOYS - The Call, Larger Than Life, I Want It That Way

    BEYONCE ft. JAY-Z - Crazy in Love

    BIG & RICH - Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy

    BIG SEAN - Dance (A$$)

    BLACK CROWES - Hard to Handle

    BLACK EYED PEAS - I Gotta Feelin', Let's Get It Started

    BLINK 182 - All the Small Things, Feeling This

    BREATHE CAROLINA - Blackout 

    BRITNEY SPEARS - Till the World Ends, Toxic

    BRUNO MARS - Just the Way You Are, Locked Out Of Heaven, Treasure

    CALVIN HARRIS - Feel So Close, Let's Go, Sweet Nothing

    CAPITOL CITIES - Safe and Sound

    CARLY RAE JEPSEN - Call Me Maybe

    CEE LO GREEN - Forget You

    CHRIS BROWN - Kiss Kiss, Look At Me Now, Turn Up the Music

    CHUCK BERRY - Johnny B. Goode

    COLD PLAY - Viva la Vida, Fix You, Paradise

    COBRA STARSHIP - You Make Me Feel

    DAFT PUNK - Get Lucky

    DAVE MATTHEWS BAND - #41

    DAVID GUETTA - Without You, I Can Only Imagine, Titanium

    DRAKE - Forever

    ELLIE GOULDING - Lights

    ELTON JON - I Just Can't Wait To Be King

    FALL OUT BOY - My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark

    FLORIDA GEORGIA LINE - Cruise

    FOO FIGHTERS - Learn To Fly

    FLO RIDA - Club Can't Handle Me, Low, Good Feeling, Wild Ones, Whistle, I Cry

    FLORIDA-GEORGIA LINE - Cruise

    FOUNTAINS OF WAYNE - Stacy's Mom

    FUN. - We Are Young, Some Nights

    GARTH BROOKS - Friends In Low Places

    GAVIN DEGRAW - I Don't Wanna Be

    GNARLS BARKLEY - Crazy

    GOO GOO DOLLS - Slide, Iris

    GOTYE - Somebody That I Used To Know

    GUNS N ROSES - Sweet Child O' Mine

    GYM CLASS HEROES - Stereo Hearts, Ass Back Home

    HARVEY DANGER - Flagpole Sitta

    ICONA POP - I Love It

    IMAGINE DRAGONS - It's Time, Radioactive

    INCUBUS - Pardon Me

    JAY-Z AND KANYE WEST - Ni**as in Paris

    JAY -Z- 99 Problems, Holy Grail

    JASON MRAZ - I'm Yours

    JET - Are You Gonna Be My Girl

    JIMMY EAT WORLD - The Middle, Sweetness

    JUSTIN BIEBER - Baby, Boyfriend, As Long As You Love Me, Beauty and a Beat

    JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE - SexyBack, Suit and Tie, Mirrors

    KANYE WEST - Heartless, Gold Digger, Clique, Mercy

    KARMIN - Brokenhearted

    KATY PERRY - Last Friday Night, E.T., I Kissed a Girl

    KE$HA - Your Love Is My Drug, Blow, Die Young

    KID CUDI - Erase Me, Pursuit of Happiness

    KID RICK - Bawitdaba

    THE KILLERS - All Things That I've Done, Somebody Told Me

    KINGS OF LEON - Use Somebody

    LADY GAGA - Poker Face, Bad Romance, You and I

    LFO - Summer Girls 

    LIL JON - Get Low

    LIT - My Own Worst Enemy

    LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem, Sexy and I Know It, Shots

    LONELY ISLAND - I Just Had Sex, I'm On a Boat 

    LORDE - Royals

    LUDACRIS - How Low, What's Your Fantasy

    LUKE BRYAN - Country Girl

    LUPE FIASCO - Show Goes On

    LUSTRA - Scotty Doesn't Know

    MACKLEMORE - Thrift Shop, Can't Hold Us

    MAJOR LAZER - Bubble Butt

    MAROON 5 - Harder To Breathe, Moves Like Jagger, Stereo Hearts, Payphone, One More Night

    METRO STATION - Shake It

    MICHAEL JACKSON - Billie Jean, Man In the Mirror, Black or White

    MILEY CYRUS - Party in the USA, We Can't Stop

    MUMFORD AND SONS - I Will Wait

    MUSE - Uprising

    MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE - I'm Not Okay (I Promise)

    NELLY - Hot In Here

    NEON TREES - Animal

    NERO - Promises

    NEW FOUND GLORY - My Friends Over You

    NE-YO - Let Me Love You

    NICKI MINAJ - Superbass, Starships, Pound The Alarm

    NINE DAYS - Absolutely

    NIRVANA - Smells Like Teen Spirit

    NO DOUBT - Hella Good

    NSYNC - I Want You Back

    OASIS - Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova

    ONE DIRECTION - What Makes You Beautiful

    OUTKAST - Hey Ya!

    OWL CITY & CARLY RAE JEPSEN - Good Time

    PINK - Raise Your Glass

    PITBULL - Give Me Everything, Hey Baby, International Love

    PSY - Gangnam Style

    QUEEN - Don't Stop Me Now

    RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - By the Way

    RHIANNA - Umbrella, We Found Love, Birthday Cake, Diamonds

    ROBIN THICKE - Blurred Lines

    SISQO - The Thong Song

    SIR MIX-A-LOT - Baby Got Back

    SKRILLEX - Bangarang

    SUBLIME - Santeria, What I Got

    SUM 41 - Fat Lip 

    SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA - Don't You Worry Child

    TAKING BACK SUNDAY - Cute Without the 'E'

    TAYLOR SWIFT - Love Story, I Knew You Were Trouble, 22

    TAIO CRUZ - Dynamite

    TENACIOUS D - Tribute

    THE ATARIS - Boys of Summer

    THE WHO - Baba O'Riley

    THE USED - Taste of Ink

    TLC - No Scrubs

    TOBY KEITH - Red Solo Cup 

    TRAVIE MCCOY - Billionaire

    TREY SONGZ - Bottoms Up, Two Reasons 

    TYGA - Rack City

    U2 - With or Without You

    USHER - DJ Got Us Falling In Love, OMG, Yeah!, Scream

    V.I.C. - Wobble

    WILL.I.AM. - Scream And Shout

    WEEZER - Say It Ain't So

    WHEATUS - Teenage Dirtbag

    YLVIS - The Fox

    ZAC BROWN BAND - Toes
    ZEDD - Clarity

     

     

    this is the songs we do from this list:

    3OH!3 - Don't Trust Me

    ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS - Gives You Hell,

    BEATLES - Twist & Shout

    BIG N RICH- Save A Horse (Ride A Cowboy)

    BILLY JOEL MASHUP - Only The Good Die Young

    BLINK 182 - All The Small Things

    BLUR - Song 2

    BON JOVI - Livin' On A Prayer

    BREATHE CAROLINA - Blackout

    BRUNO MARS - Locked Out Of Heaven

    CEE LO GREEN - Forget You

    DARKNESS - I Believe In A Thing Called Love

    EVE 6 - Inside Out


    FLO RIDA - Club Can't Handle Me

    FLO RIDA - Good Feeling/

    FLO RIDA

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    • Kevin T
      Kevin T commented
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      I notice the same very few if any under 30s cover bands . There is no band culture in high school today just Djs . They next gen seems to be all orig and Djs . Just as well with the way bars are closing / dropping live music here

  • #3
    Hoping this doesn't get too bogged down in another original vs cover debate.
    What I've seen is that the "glamour" of cover bands is pretty much gone.
    Younger ppl go to a bar and end up watching guys their parents age play songs that could be close to 50 years old. There are few venues that have big stages and fewer bands that put on a "big show".
    Not much motivation to put a band together, build up 40 songs and jump in the mix.
    Guess its easier to record in your bedroom, put it on Youtube and have your friends leave comments on how awesome you are.
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    • TIMKEYS
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      ckcondon wrote:
      Hoping this doesn't get too bogged down in another original vs cover debate.
      What I've seen is that the "glamour" of cover bands is pretty much gone.
      Younger ppl go to a bar and end up watching guys their parents age play songs that could be close to 50 years old. There are few venues that have big stages and fewer bands that put on a "big show".
      Not much motivation to put a band together, build up 40 songs and jump in the mix.
      Guess its easier to record in your bedroom, put it on Youtube and have your friends leave comments on how awesome you are.

      after a while its not much work to put a band together.  Send out set list with the key sigs to guys who can do their home work and work on the fly ,, and hit it live with no real rehearsal.  it takes the right kind of players to pull this off though. 


    • guido61
      guido61 commented
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      ckcondon wrote:
      Hoping this doesn't get too bogged down in another original vs cover debate.
      What I've seen is that the "glamour" of cover bands is pretty much gone.
      Younger ppl go to a bar and end up watching guys their parents age play songs that could be close to 50 years old. There are few venues that have big stages and fewer bands that put on a "big show".
      Not much motivation to put a band together, build up 40 songs and jump in the mix.
      Guess its easier to record in your bedroom, put it on Youtube and have your friends leave comments on how awesome you are.

      I think that in many ways the entire concept of "being in a band" is an older-generation thing.   Something your parents or your grandparents did.   

      But young kids still do it.  Or at least still make music.   And they always will.  Music is just too cool and too integral to who many people are.    They may not form bands and play in bars anymore, however.

      But hey, they didn't do that 100 years ago either.  Music and musicians existed and prospered in different forms back then.   It might just take some other form.  Or maybe it just needs to be gone-from-the-scene long enough to become "cool" again. 

      Maybe after 20 years of live music being virtually non-existant, young  kids will start forming bands again and playing out live and the whole thing will start all over again.  


    • mstreck
      mstreck commented
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      ckcondon wrote:
      Hoping this doesn't get too bogged down in another original vs cover debate.
      What I've seen is that the "glamour" of cover bands is pretty much gone.
      Younger ppl go to a bar and end up watching guys their parents age play songs that could be close to 50 years old. There are few venues that have big stages and fewer bands that put on a "big show".
      Not much motivation to put a band together, build up 40 songs and jump in the mix.
      Guess its easier to record in your bedroom, put it on Youtube and have your friends leave comments on how awesome you are.

      I don't get it either. 

      I was talking to a no-nonsense venue owner last weekend and he told us how he originally came to hire us. A mutual friend called him to tell him that he had to come see us at a show we played last November. Well, he saw us a couple of years ago back when we were primarily playing classic rock and he really wasn't interested. He asked our mutual friend what song we were playing at the moment. The answer was "Raise Your Glass" so he came to check us out. He said he originally intended to stay for five songs, but ended up staying for another two and a half hours. He said (and I'm not kidding) that he decided to hire us the moment we played "Call Me Maybe" and saw how much fun we (and the audience) were having with it. In particular, the fact that our lead guitarist was jumping up and down when we played it is what sold him. He also loved that we play lots of current pop and very little classic rock  - if we would have played what we played years ago, he would have walked out.

      We aren't a young band, but we have two members that are in their mid-20's. Other than us, I have seen ONE band of young players (all in their 20's - all very talented) make a dent in our local "scene" within the past five years. Every other local band that gigs regularly consist of players that have been around for years and are still playing mostly classic rock. The "old guard" seems to be the only guard - by default.

      My point is this: there are opportunities for young players to form a cover band and get jobs by playing "their generation's" music - the demand is there! For the record, I'm glad they're aren't more young bands in our area. I'd rather compete against the dad bands that don't want to put *any* effort into a "show".

      On a somewhat-related note, one local venue decided to go "hip hop" last Friday night to appeal to the college kids. I don't know what happened, but two hours into it, they posted on their facebook page that there would be no more hip hop nights and they would be bringing back "rock and roll bands". They also announced they would be having "bike night (colors allowed)". I'm guessing that we won't be playing there anytime soon. I'd rather play at the beach anyhow.


  • #4
    There's a half decent scene in my town. And in th big cities there's lots of original music going on. Everyone's cutting CD's or the new thing is vinyl/download cards. They are all in their 20's. plus I just started an open mic that went over really good with that group as well. There's 2 other open mics that cater to older people, so that's good as well. We are all in contact wih one another so we don't do them on the same night.

    Bob does his the first week of the month
    I'm the second week
    Terry does the third week
    I do the 4th week

    All at different venues.

    With the younger original bands Everyone plays one set, they split the door etc etc.

    Old farts like myself play the event scene. NYE weddings, Christmas parties etc.

    Here's the latest original gig I did sound for:

    4 bands:
    http://youtu.be/Ibb-T6Gie6Y

    http://youtu.be/FnEkzFlaVM8

    http://youtu.be/PDo2umy3Fl0

    http://youtu.be/zglVm5dLNYg

    Again, my band is too old to play for these kids but I have a great rig so I put it to use a lot.
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    • #5

      For what it's worth.. I have a few friends in the 25-35 range who are making 25K to 40K a year playing in bars, but it's a struggle.

      I also agree with the idea that there is opportunity there for younger cover bands to come on the scene and be successful, but I also agree with guido, that it's all about presenting your band as a viable entertainment option to a 20-something.

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      • twostone
        twostone commented
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        My guess that it's some what common knowledge that you stand a better chance of fame and fortune  when your young playing original like ABC and Rocking Robin which is don't think is to very musically challenge songs compared to masters such as Bach and Beethoven. 


    • #6
      I'm impressed with David/Guido's understanding and support of younger musicians and their different paths as compared to our upbringing and experience.

      I learned by copying and playing every night of the week for 4 hours in front of people. At 17 I was performing full time. You get good. But the thing is... A lot don't too. I knew guys that had only the ability to copy. That's fine. But that wasn't where I wanted to be.

      Now-a-days I see kids 16 to 25 playing their own music in coffee bars. Short sets, Small ensembles or solo. And like back in my day, some are inconsequential and some are truly great.

      So really, who cares if the Beatles did it first with covers so that's the way it should be today!?!? The world will change. It doesn't care if we disagree.

      Just listen to some of the indie folk music happening now to realize that the world of music is going to be fine, even if they don't do things the way we did.

      I'm happy with change.
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      • #7
        Depends a lot on what your goals are. If your goal is to be a skilled player who can play lots of styles of music in a variety of situations? Sure. But if your goal is to write the next big hit single? Playing with those old dudes probably isn't going to help as much.
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        • TIMKEYS
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          guido61 wrote:
          Depends a lot on what your goals are. If your goal is to be a skilled player who can play lots of styles of music in a variety of situations? Sure. But if your goal is to write the next big hit single? Playing with those old dudes probably isn't going to help as much.

          They dont have to be older to be better or farther down stream.  One of the big secrets of success ist to surround yourself with solid talent.   I dont care what business you choose.   You can write a the next big hit but odds are you wont ever become a hit without the people who can help move it along the way.  The world runs on suction.  


      • #8
        Well yeah. You can't have the next big hit without experienced producers or a record label or money behind you or whatever. But that's a different subject from what we're talking about here which is simply about the band level

        Think back to the 60s. I don't think The Who or the Stones or CCR got where they did because they started out playing covers with more experienced players and surrounding themselves with more solid talent.
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        • ckcondon
          ckcondon commented
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          So to wrap it up, I think we all agree that reasons many of us got into cover bands (cool scene, big stages, steady money, touring opportunity) are long gone. Couple that with the fact that you can youtube any artist and see them perform anytime you want, and demand dries up. I used to go to clubs to watch bands play stuff I couldn't see unless I went to a real concert.
          I loved hearing good bands play Zeppelin, VH, Ozzy etc. It was loud, there were lots of lights and beautiful women all over the place. Fun times.
          There will always be young musicians trying to share their gift with others, it just seems that "our way" of doing it in bars and clubs isn't very appealing to the next generation.

      • #9
        they all had influencesand.Keith Richards heavily influenced by Chuck Berry.you look at Rock n Roll most of its roots come from the old blues artists. Rock n Roll Hall is not conceived in a vacuum and is more in evolution of previous styles artists and types of music.

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        • guido61
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          TIMKEYS wrote:
          they all had influencesand.Keith Richards heavily influenced by Chuck Berry.you look at Rock n Roll most of its roots come from the old blues artists. Rock n Roll Hall is not conceived in a vacuum and is more in evolution of previous styles artists and types of music.


          Of course they had influences.  Everyone does.  But again, that's a different topic.   You were trying to make the case that musicians can learn a lot from gigging with more experienced players.  And, of course, they can.  But that doesn't really have anything to do with whether they are going to write and create better original material or not.

           


      • #10
        And new young performers don't have influences? I'm confused, Tim.
        __________
        Ain't no sacrilege to call Elvis king
        Dad is great and all but he never could sing -
        Jesus

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        • TIMKEYS
          TIMKEYS commented
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          Lee Knight wrote:
          And new young performers don't have influences? I'm confused, Tim.

          sure they have influences and thats the point i was making.   They all learn from someone or  some other band.  Dave seems to think self taught musicians go into a basement and pop out with the next big hit without ever playing with other bands or musicans. 


      • #11
        Whay we need for this dicussion is some 15-25yo young folk to tell us how they plan on performing their art ...?

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        • #12
          id think MF Has a vested interest ln the future market of muso tool/toys .us old farts will soon.age out

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          • #13
            Playing ball with the music business is exhausting. If you focus on "making it," it's way more exhausting than it is to just do it because you love it. In my case, I can focus on what the sweet stuff the band has done didn't do for us, which is easy to do at a mindless desk job, or I can focus on how freaking awesome it's all been and look forward to the next album, regardless of who buys it. Does focusing on playing ball with the industry increase your odds of making a living playing music? Of course. But in absolute terms, how much? From almost no chance to a very slim chance? And if that's a fun sucker, does it even help that much compared to being a band that's having a blast? A large percentage of the game is half mental.
            Free prog-related metal from Michigan.

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            • fenderbender9
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              I just read a post about the value of mentors and that is where I decided to chime in here. I'm 19 and I was fortunate enough to grow up close to Memphis and found my way into a few circles. I got to play with some frickin' phenomenal seasoned musicians and it was truly what preserved and increased how passionate I am about music. What the experience has also offered me is a well-versedness that allows me to play to the older crowd in a room while still having the knowledge of what is current allowing me to also appeal to younger crowds. I'm okay with covers if I'm going into a gig for the cash. It takes a lot of time and exposure to really do well playing solely originals, so I see a gig as what it is. I have also played with a few younger groups and it is getting harder to find people with the ability to do covers with a bit of originality. However, I am hopeful that there will be a future market for cover bands that isn't just the four chord mainstream pop and 'rock'. I find new songs to be very restricting and not conducive to solos and improvisation.



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