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  • #31
    It depends entirely on the type of music, the choices made when mixing, and personal preferences. MY personal preferences, as well as those of my clients, is totally happy with 1 top per and even 2 tops per sub in many instances. The clients pay the bills, and have never complained, and I am not cheap.

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    • #32
      Yup, "it depends" .

      "We Have Met the Enemy and He is Us" - Walt Kelly​

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      • #33
        Yup, "it depends" .

        "We Have Met the Enemy and He is Us" - Walt Kelly​

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        • #34






          Quote Originally Posted by agedhorse
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          It depends entirely on the type of music, the choices made when mixing, and personal preferences. MY personal preferences, as well as those of my clients, is totally happy with 1 top per and even 2 tops per sub in many instances. The clients pay the bills, and have never complained, and I am not cheap.




          I agree with both you and your clients. I have done outdoor gigs without subs...well, let me qualify that. My previous sound man has a pair of horrifying Behringer subs which I swear are nothing but 100 pound paperweights. The bass and kick outdoors sounded better our of the 15" drivers in all of my old MR805 and MR835's than they did from the alleged subs. We played an outdoor festival in the Vanderbuilt in Eastern Long Island and there had to be about 1,000 people there. My old sound man mixed all the bands, and while the mix was awful, nobody complained about the volume and you could definitely hear bass and kick.



          I am sure that my new gear will sound ten times as good as what I have now and my present system sounds fine without those God Awful subs.



          My point is that indoors or outdoors, as long as it isn't a huge festival, I cannot, for one second, imagine needing more rig than four 612m tops and two XLF subs. And what I think a lot of people are forgetting is that when my band starts playing huge festivals (the one we played that I mentioned above was atypical) I won't be using my own PA. Production companies that put on these huge gigs ALWAYS have their own sound companies coming in anyway. I have been in negotiations with some NY area festival producers, and they all have guys with way more gear than I have or will be buying. So I honestly think that four subs is not only overkill for my band, but absurdly so.

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          • #35






            Quote Originally Posted by agedhorse
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            It depends entirely on the type of music, the choices made when mixing, and personal preferences. MY personal preferences, as well as those of my clients, is totally happy with 1 top per and even 2 tops per sub in many instances. The clients pay the bills, and have never complained, and I am not cheap.




            I agree with both you and your clients. I have done outdoor gigs without subs...well, let me qualify that. My previous sound man has a pair of horrifying Behringer subs which I swear are nothing but 100 pound paperweights. The bass and kick outdoors sounded better our of the 15" drivers in all of my old MR805 and MR835's than they did from the alleged subs. We played an outdoor festival in the Vanderbuilt in Eastern Long Island and there had to be about 1,000 people there. My old sound man mixed all the bands, and while the mix was awful, nobody complained about the volume and you could definitely hear bass and kick.



            I am sure that my new gear will sound ten times as good as what I have now and my present system sounds fine without those God Awful subs.



            My point is that indoors or outdoors, as long as it isn't a huge festival, I cannot, for one second, imagine needing more rig than four 612m tops and two XLF subs. And what I think a lot of people are forgetting is that when my band starts playing huge festivals (the one we played that I mentioned above was atypical) I won't be using my own PA. Production companies that put on these huge gigs ALWAYS have their own sound companies coming in anyway. I have been in negotiations with some NY area festival producers, and they all have guys with way more gear than I have or will be buying. So I honestly think that four subs is not only overkill for my band, but absurdly so.

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            • #36
              CV ... what Miko Man said It has been my experience that outside gigs literally suck up the low end.



              On the DSR's.... well, I have said it before. You simply have to go hear them yourself. This may be somewhat of a problem since Yamaha is moving toward the DXR's and a quick search in my area shows that there aren't any around the metro Detroit area any more (Chicago has them if I wanted to drive 211 miles ).



              Sonically, I felt that the DSR112's were more lively, punchy, and just seemed to have more useable output than the PRX612's. I used the channel eq to get both speakers to the best sound I could get out of them and then turned up the volume to see how well they held on to that tone.



              I did like a few things better about the PRX612's. They are lighter (36lbs vs 47lbs), they have a more flexible pole mount, they look better, and they would match my XLF's visually.



              I really did go into the shop thinking I was going to be going home with a pair of PRX612's, so it wasn't like I was pre-disposed to Yamaha speakers .... quite the opposite.



              Now, having said all that, there was absolutely nothing bad about the PRX612's. They are a very good speaker. I know several bands that use them around here while I am the only one I know that uses the DSR112's.



              .. and I don't take any offense to anyone disagreeing with my opinion. I think that it is healthy to have respectful debates on any number of topics. I enjoy it.
              With Greater Knowledge Comes Greater Understanding

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              • #37
                CV ... what Miko Man said It has been my experience that outside gigs literally suck up the low end.



                On the DSR's.... well, I have said it before. You simply have to go hear them yourself. This may be somewhat of a problem since Yamaha is moving toward the DXR's and a quick search in my area shows that there aren't any around the metro Detroit area any more (Chicago has them if I wanted to drive 211 miles ).



                Sonically, I felt that the DSR112's were more lively, punchy, and just seemed to have more useable output than the PRX612's. I used the channel eq to get both speakers to the best sound I could get out of them and then turned up the volume to see how well they held on to that tone.



                I did like a few things better about the PRX612's. They are lighter (36lbs vs 47lbs), they have a more flexible pole mount, they look better, and they would match my XLF's visually.



                I really did go into the shop thinking I was going to be going home with a pair of PRX612's, so it wasn't like I was pre-disposed to Yamaha speakers .... quite the opposite.



                Now, having said all that, there was absolutely nothing bad about the PRX612's. They are a very good speaker. I know several bands that use them around here while I am the only one I know that uses the DSR112's.



                .. and I don't take any offense to anyone disagreeing with my opinion. I think that it is healthy to have respectful debates on any number of topics. I enjoy it.
                With Greater Knowledge Comes Greater Understanding

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                • #38
                  The DSR is indeed another very viable option.

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                  • #39
                    The DSR is indeed another very viable option.

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                    • #40






                      Quote Originally Posted by agedhorse
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                      The DSR is indeed another very viable option.




                      How would you rate the PRX612m against the DSR112?

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                      • #41






                        Quote Originally Posted by ChiroVette
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                        How would you rate the PRX612m against the DSR112?




                        Fairly close except for the weight.

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                        • #42






                          Quote Originally Posted by agedhorse
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                          Fairly close except for the weight.




                          Would you say that one is better, albeit even just a little better?

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                          • #43






                            Quote Originally Posted by ChiroVette
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                            Would you say that one is better, albeit even just a little better?




                            It depends...

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                            • #44






                              Quote Originally Posted by agedhorse
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                              It depends...




                              On?

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                              • #45






                                Quote Originally Posted by ChiroVette
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                                On?




                                The room/space, your ears, your back, the source, the stakeholders, etc

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