Members Tomm Williams Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 Say you get hired to run an installed system that uses 700 mhz wireless and the owner INSISTS on using it. Would the contracted operator share the impending doom ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 Claim ignorance and don't go posting in a public forum about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 Since I don't have an authoritative answer, ask Henry Cohen on PSW. He is someone I trust for answers on wireless issues. I have no idea if anyone on here is an attorney and can answer that. Good question though. I would think it probable that operators MIGHT be partially liable, which means you are an equal target for those you infringed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted July 31, 2013 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 This isn't me. I wouldn't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members partialtomusic Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 You (well, whoever it is you're asking for) should ask a lawyer about that. It'll be well worth the money to know the answer to that question. Nobody ever went broke underestimating the cheapness of venue owners... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 Tomm Williams wrote: Say you get hired to run an installed system that uses 700 mhz wireless and the owner INSISTS on using it. Would the contracted operator share the impending doom ? Since you insist, the short answer is "yes". The long answer is I'd guess they'd go after the owner of the equipment, especially if the venue owns it, and the chance of them eventually busting it is fairly high if it is a fixed install not in the boonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Reson8tor Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 IANAL, but it seems to me that this is something that could be covered by the contract agreement between installer and client. There is a contract, right?Something to the effect of... "given the constantly changing nature of federal allocation of frequencies, company X is not responsible for any conflicts that may arise from the use of any specific frequencies in this installation"... or some such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 ^ That'd cinch your guilt for sure! Claiming that your not guilty of a crime because your boss/client/dumbarse-friend told you to generally doesn't get much sympathy from the courts . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 I would expect the owners of the equipment to be the responsible party, but wireless mic transmission power is so low compared with everything else in that band as to be the receiver of problems rather than the giver of problems. The radiated power difference is on the order of 100-1000x diffetent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted July 31, 2013 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 " I never heard of any ban, how would they catch me anyway?, I ain't buying a bunch of new mics when these work just fine.............." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miko Man Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 I believe the law prohibits a person from "operating" equipment which does not conform with FCC requirements. While an enforcement action would probably be taken against the enterprise that runs the venue and owns the gear (as a practical matter), the person who turns on the non-compliant transmitter(s) probably has some technical liability, too. To me, the bigger risk would be as a defendant in a civil suit where a person alleges personal injuries arising from interference with public safety communications. (E.g., the 911 dispatcher didn't get the information to the police/fire/ambulance as quickly as has the interfering transmission not occurred.). Mark C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted July 31, 2013 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 As I already stated in post#4. I'm not talking about myself as I wouldn't do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 Wireless mic transmitters are below the RF noise floor at ~200 feet line of sight, and compared with life safety radios they are several orders of magnitude lower in ERP at worst case. Wireless mic operation will be severely affected WAY before ANY intereference is noticed in any higher powered RF system.Not saying that it's not illegal, or that it's the "right thing to do", but it's not IMO the impending disaster that those SELLING the products (including replacement products) imply in their marketing. If you are in an area where there is no EMS radio systems in use, then it's a moot point. There are thousands of square miles where there is NOTHING in this spectrum, and likely will not be for 10 or more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scodiddly Posted July 31, 2013 Members Share Posted July 31, 2013 Turn the owner in - or at least let a local dealer know that they've got a maybe sales opportunity. That gets more people telling the owner to get rid of the offending gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audiopile Posted August 1, 2013 Members Share Posted August 1, 2013 You damn well know it's illegal. The owner of the equipment damn well knows it's illegal. Ignorance of the law is "no excuse"... Willful breaking of the law is "easily prosecutable".Admittedly, an accomplice generally gets a lighter sentence than the perpetrator.But... I've gotta ask: Is finding honest work that tough? And regardless of that: Is ethics a matter of convenience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomm Williams Posted August 1, 2013 Author Members Share Posted August 1, 2013 I guess this bears repeating again. I am not a party to this. I am aware of this situation between a newbie sound guy and a stubborn venue manager. I am advising the sound guy to step away. I AM NOT A PARTY TO THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted August 1, 2013 Members Share Posted August 1, 2013 You could remind him that the fine is $11,000.00 per day per channel IF he gets caught Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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