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  • OnSong, Voice Live Play GTX, and MIDI

    So...I am going to attempt to use the MIDI send capability in OnSong via the iRig MIDI interface on my iPad to change the preset on my TC Helicon Voice Live Play GTX to match each song as I call it up.



    Anybody see any potential problems?
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    Awesome! I cant wait to hear about the results!
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    • #3
      Let us know how you make out with that. I'm using a laptop with Sonar to play tracks and it automatically sets the GTX preset, and toggles the harmony on/off using midi commands. Set it and forget it, and no more tap dancing! Love it!
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      • #4
        Success!

        But I've got bruises on my shins from jumping through so many hoops...

        After an email to TC Helicon, and one to OnSong, and LOTS of trial and error, the GTX obeys my OnSong!

        If any one else wants to try this with the same set up I can save you lots of time.

        Instead of using the meta data menu like the folks at OnSong advised, just enter {midi: ###@0} near the top of your raw song chart using the meta data editor.

        Just insert the preset number before the "@" in the string. So {midi: 111@0} would give you preset 112 (remember that MIDI channels start at "0", not "1")



        Now when I call up a song sheet from OnSong on my iPad, my GTX pedal automatically switches to the right preset. So I don't have to have an awkward silence while I get my pedal set up!



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        • scottyjham
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          Thanks for this post. It allowed me to be up and running in about 3 minutes.


        • wdlmcg
          wdlmcg commented
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          I was hoping to get advice on how to get ONSONG app

          to control two different effects when selecting song lyrics.

          I can add on the lyrics page just below title artist a simple command to control

          my Fender Mustang floor pedal but wish to write a second command for Voicetouch live.

          One command line will change both devices and I can't figure out how to segregate.

          Thanks in advance for any help.


        • hp123
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          Hi - Great to hear this can be done! I'm just setting up the same thing myself with Onsong & VL3 (& hope to link to GR55 also via midi thru). But first dabble with midi!

          Am hoping to be able to use one of these (which seem to support midi) http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MD821ZM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter 


          No idea what to do once i get the right interface either! :-)

          Can you advise what the settings should be on the VL? And also is the 'midi: xzy@0' the only thing you need to add within OnSong?

          Any help very welcome! 

          Thanks

           


      • #5
        I wonder if I can make it work with my voice live touch? I have one of the 4 switch footpedals ordered from OnSong.
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        • #6






          Quote Originally Posted by deanmass
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          I wonder if I can make it work with my voice live touch? I have one of the 4 switch footpedals ordered from OnSong.




          I just looked at the manual online. Looks like it is definitely possible!



          I almost went with the Touch because I don't like bending down on stage (not pretty at my age).



          Let me know how you like the pedals. I went with a cheaper version (PageFlip) and I am not happy. It works intermittently and I can't seem to nail down what is causing it. I will probably end up going with the AirTurn Pedals that OnSong sells.
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          • #7
            Glad to hear! Are you also able to toggle the harmony on/off during the song using midi commands?
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              Quote Originally Posted by Mike McLaughlin
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              Glad to hear! Are you also able to toggle the harmony on/off during the song using midi commands?




              Yes, but I don't use backing tracks so I don't know how I would get it to trigger at the right time. Also I find that I am still finding my way with the harmony so I like the ability to trigger the harmony "on the fly". Some times I just use the harmony at the end of a phrase or even the last word in the phrase. What I am really enjoying is changing chords while holding a note and hearing the harmony adjust. (Try it with a sus or a seventh chord...you'll like it!)
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                Quote Originally Posted by Weird Uncle Tim
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                Yes, but I don't use backing tracks so I don't know how I would get it to trigger at the right time. Also I find that I am still finding my way with the harmony so I like the ability to trigger the harmony "on the fly". Some times I just use the harmony at the end of a phrase or even the last word in the phrase. What I am really enjoying is changing chords while holding a note and hearing the harmony adjust. (Try it with a sus or a seventh chord...you'll like it!)




                Yeah, it's cool to hold a note while changing chords in certain songs, and it is a delight to your ears. My old digitech vocalist 4 would follow the guitar changes too.



                I used to tap dance with the digitech turning the harmony on/off at certain parts of the song, I would get cramps from hovering one foot over the pedal. But since I use backing tracks, and knew the spots in each song that I wanted to toggle on/off when I used the old digitech, it took me about a minute per song to program all the midi commands for the TC unit. I love it!
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                • #10
                  Hi Guys,

                  This thread seems to be the closest to what I'm looking to be able to do, or perhaps someone here can help direct me in the right direction.

                  Thank you in advance!

                  I want to run audio tracks on a program and be able to have that program also trigger midi commands on an external reverb and/or delay unit.

                  ( I have a lexicon pcm 90 reverb and an old yamaha rev500)

                  ( I currently edit my audio files and burn to CD's with wavelab 6 but don't know anything about midi at all).

                  I guess it could run effects from my PC laptop computer software. Running windows XP on an old laptop but willing to upgrade if needed. My intention is to get a windows 7 laptop running only the show and a 2nd back up computer.



                  so it's live vocals to tracks with ability to trigger on/off and/or adjust reverb settings with custom settings for each songs at times. Delay on some songs and not on others, more delay on some. Maybe a multi-effect unit would be better than 2 separate units?

                  Do I need a usb/midi interface device?



                  how the heck do I do this?! I'm computer literate but This is my first time ever dealing with midi or programming anything like this.

                  High quality, Compatibility and reliability are key since it's often out of town corporate events.



                  It would be great to add midi later and/or run the show with a keyboard player and eventually more musicians....

                  Thanks for any and all help!

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                  • #11
                    You'll need a midi interface and a program that has midi and audio tracks. One of the cakewalk programs should work. The only thing is you'll have to load one song into the program at a time which will make time between songs a little longer than just using an mp3 playback program like itunes. I used to program midi commands to change effects with the on board sequencer on a midi keyboard. Once I started using a laptop for BT I stopped doing that. But it was pretty cool having reverb switch to an echo effect at the exact time I wanted it to. I used the alesis midverb 3 and it worked great.
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                    • #12
                      Hi and thanks Bob,

                      I was thinking about getting Sonar from cakewalk....perhaps I can control midi, edit audio, and burn CDs with markers (for backup) with it....?

                      Does anyone recommend running effects for vocals from the computer VS external units via midi,



                      to mix vocals and tracks with live with effects for the vocals like this, do I need a small usb connected mixer..... or just an interface with a couple of xlr mic inputs that might be controlled by a 'mixer' on the computer using sonar (vs sliders and gain knobs on a usb mixer).... I guess it would also need midi in/outputs if I used an external reverb?



                      thanks everyone!

                      Larry

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                      • #13
                        WOW! I thought my set up was complicated! By way of an update; After the first couple of gigs I realized that I needed to simplify. I use the harmony sparingly or not at all based on the feedback I get from the crowd. I think we like to believe all our little tweaks make a difference, but maybe that's just for us...
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                        • #14
                          Larry, I use the odd backing track which are played on an ipad mounted on the mike stand, these are triggered by a touch of the screen at the moment but am looking to use a pedal in the future. The track then runs through a TC Helicon Voicelive play GTX which has more vocal effects built in than you can shake a stick at, including harmonies and delays. Although this unit allows for Midi controls to turn on and off these effects, I use the built in pedal to switch them on and off. When I do the odd song without my guitar and am hand holding the mike, I use the built in button on the mike to control the effects.

                          Overall so far I have found this the simplist and most flexible way of both playing tracks and mixing in vocal effects.

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                          • #15
                            Hey Steve! - What kind of mic has a button that controls effects?!

                            If I could get something like that onto my wireless mic that would be great.

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