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  • #16
    I just noticed that the FC7 has its jacks on the side. That's a deal-killer for me. Too bad -- and you'd think Yamaha would know better.


    Not to pick nits ... but I believe it's the FC9 (Dual volume) pedal that has its jacks on the side. The FC7 is a "prewired" device (no jacks whatsoever - just a 5 ft cable wired into the pedal with a 1/4" TS connector on the far end). The cable on the FC7 is routed so that it emerges from the pedal on the front edge - not the sides.
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    • #17
      On mine the wire comes out the front.

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      • #18
        Thanks for the help, folks!

        Looks like I'll have to check out the Yamaha FC-7. I'd also love to find out more about the Moog. Maybe it's just the brand name, but that one intrigues me.

        I imagine there are some boutique options as well, but know nothing about this. Any unusual options out there?

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        • #19
          Thanks for the clarification onthe FC7!
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          • #20
            +INFINITY for the FC7...As you can see in my sig I've got 2 of them I use simulatneously (they can be "bolted" together which is really cool) and I honestly couldn't be happier with them...I've been using them both pretty heavily almost daily for over 5 years now and they're still going strong, again, couldn't be happier with them and highly recommend them...

            Also SpaceNorman is dead on about the jack.
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            • #21
              I have 2 FC7's that I've used continuously since 1985, and they work fine. I've had to do a small amount of maintenance on them, but they've been to a hell of a lot of gigs. They have a nice feel to them, and a very useable response curve, IMO. Some others I've tried are too sensitive at the very topmost part of their range, whereas the FC7 seems linear to me.

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              • #22
                So I'm looking at expression pedals for my Kurzweil. I've been using a Roland EV-5, but am looking into other options. It's not well-built and is starting to come apart, despite being well taken care of and only light use.

                There are quite a few on eBay, including some I haven't heard of before.

                There are models by Korg, Lowrey, Moog, Line 6, among others. The price range is pretty big. Thoughts or recommendations?

                Specifically, does anyone have any experience with the Moog EP-2?

                Any comments/thoughts about build quality, which ones to avoid, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

                Thanks!


                While I DO work for Kurzweil R&D.....

                I also do work outside of Kurz, programming (and babysitting) keys for Broadway and touring shows.
                My partner and I use the same equipment list for every show.
                And the volume pedal on the list is always the Boss FV500L.
                http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=697

                I would describe it as "military grade" as far as build quality goes.
                Every show we've done uses this pedal and I have yet to hear of one going bad.
                (Evita, Mary Poppins, Les Mis, Phantom, etc)

                It's a bit big and heavy, but I happen to like that in a volume pedal.

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                • #23
                  FC7. I have a bunch of them. They are the shiznit.
                  <b>Response from John from American Musical Supply on why I have received 2 used/damaged Korg M3's and 1 reboxed M3 from Guitar Center (a.k.a. while I'll never buy from AMS again):</b><br><br><blockquote><hr>Footfall wrote:<br><p>What you're experiencing with these units is the result of our warehouse crew intentionally &quot;overpacking&quot; this product.</p><br><hr></blockquote><br><font size="1"><i><b>Current Korg Gear:</b> KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, nanoPAD 2</i></font>

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                  • #24
                    While I DO work for Kurzweil R&D.....

                    I also do work outside of Kurz, programming (and babysitting) keys for Broadway and touring shows.
                    My partner and I use the same equipment list for every show.
                    And the volume pedal on the list is always the Boss FV500L.
                    http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=697

                    I would describe it as "military grade" as far as build quality goes.
                    Every show we've done uses this pedal and I have yet to hear of one going bad.
                    (Evita, Mary Poppins, Les Mis, Phantom, etc)

                    It's a bit big and heavy, but I happen to like that in a volume pedal.


                    Just curious Dave .... is your experience with the Boss FV500L based on using it as an expression pedal or as true "volume" pedal? I purchased an FV500L for use as an expression pedal with my RD700SX. The volume control for the RD700SX spans the typical value range of 0-127. With the FV500L properly connected as an expression pedal - I could only sweep RD700SX's volume setting from 0-100. No amount of adjusting the "Minimum Volume" knob on the side would correct this. Assuming I had received a "defective" pedal - I exchanged it for another unit. That one was tiny bit better - and allowed me control a value range of 0-104. Neither of the two brand new, straight out of the box units would allow me to sweep the entire range of the volume control.

                    I badly wanted the the FV500L to work for me. I absolutely hate those cheap plastic Roland EV5 pedals. In my experience, I get roughly a year of use out of one before it starts to get flakey. As far as I'm concerned, that's PPP (piss poor performance) for a pedal that sells for $79!
                    The SpaceNorman

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                    www.souldoutrocks.com

                    Keyboards and Tone Generators: Yamaha CP300, Kronos 88, Roland AX Synth, Motif ES Rack
                    Keyboard Rack: Samson SM10 Line Mixer, Motu MIDIExpressXT MIDI Interface, Shure PSM200 IEM system, M-Audio Wireless MIDI, Live Wires IEM ear buds, iPad wOnSong.
                    Stage Amplification: Stereo via 2 Yamaha DSR112s

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                    • #25
                      FC7s all the way.
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                      • #26
                        Just curious Dave .... is your experience with the Boss FV500L based on using it as an expression pedal or as true "volume" pedal? I purchased an FV500L for use as an expression pedal with my RD700SX. The volume control for the RD700SX spans the typical value range of 0-127. With the FV500L properly connected as an expression pedal - I could only sweep RD700SX's volume setting from 0-100. No amount of adjusting the "Minimum Volume" knob on the side would correct this. Assuming I had received a "defective" pedal - I exchanged it for another unit. That one was tiny bit better - and allowed me control a value range of 0-104. Neither of the two brand new, straight out of the box units would allow me to sweep the entire range of the volume control.


                        Could be just a compatability issue with your brand or model of kbd. I use the Boss FV500L pedal as an expression pedal for Korg Tritons (Rack and Extreme) and it produces the full MIDI Volume range with no problems.

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                        • #27
                          Another FC7 user here...
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                          • #28
                            Could be just a compatability issue with your brand or model of kbd.


                            I find it rather curious, and doubtful, that a Boss product (owned by Roland) would be incompatible with a Roland keyboard.

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                            • #29
                              Just curious Dave .... is your experience with the Boss FV500L based on using it as an expression pedal or as true "volume" pedal? I purchased an FV500L for use as an expression pedal with my RD700SX. The volume control for the RD700SX spans the typical value range of 0-127. With the FV500L properly connected as an expression pedal - I could only sweep RD700SX's volume setting from 0-100. No amount of adjusting the "Minimum Volume" knob on the side would correct this. Assuming I had received a "defective" pedal - I exchanged it for another unit. That one was tiny bit better - and allowed me control a value range of 0-104. Neither of the two brand new, straight out of the box units would allow me to sweep the entire range of the volume control.

                              I badly wanted the the FV500L to work for me. I absolutely hate those cheap plastic Roland EV5 pedals. In my experience, I get roughly a year of use out of one before it starts to get flakey. As far as I'm concerned, that's PPP (piss poor performance) for a pedal that sells for $79!


                              Hmmm.... We've never had that problem. We use the FV500L with PC3K8's and Motu's Mach 5 and it definitely gives the full range of 0-127.
                              Each rig also includes one of these little volume meter boxes from Kenton - move the pedal and the meter will show a value of 0-127 or 0-20.
                              http://www.kentonuk.com/products/items/utilities/ld2-pro.shtml

                              There is a knob on the side of the pedal which can affect the range... maybe that was the problem?

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                              • #30
                                FC7 and FV-500L are the only two expression pedals that i know of (that are worth buying.)

                                i have both, and i don't even have an opinion as to which one is better. if you had to twist my arm i'd say "FC7" but the FV-500L _is_ sturdier and can be used as a volume pedal.

                                however, the FC7 has M4x0.7 metric machine screw holes on the bottom of it to easily bolt it to a pedalboard (which i did this week, actually.) the FV-500L i had to take the bottom off, punch holes in the bottom, and use those holes with big zip ties to lash the pedal to the pedalboard. i don't really like that. they also cost twice as much as the FC7.

                                to use the FC7 with my JP8000 i have to use a bogus adapter i made (from a panel-mount jack and a ratshack trs plug) that swaps the tip and ring. other than that there are no compatibility issues.


                                also, to the guy with the range issue on the RD700: you probably need to calibrate the volume pedal input. i had to do that on my Korg Z1. the way these pedals work is that the keyboard sends a voltage and the pedal attenuates it. on the return, the voltage is digitally sampled. due to manufacturing tolerances, pedal assembly resistances, and component drift et al sometimes these inputs get out of whack and you need to run them through a calibration process.
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