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  • #31
    Since the number of waveforms completely corresponds to that in M50, does it mean that it features the very same waveforms? In that case, it is just recycled M50 with extra pieces made of Piano particles, bigger screen and full polyphony of 120 instead of 80.

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    • #32






      Quote Originally Posted by Bernard
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      I just hope the KORG curse has lifted... They were so unlucky with the data wheel issue on the KRONOS... if they had held that stock in a warehouse for a few months the gunk would have been dry enough for those wheels to stay put me thinks...




      The jog wheel was the least of the Kronos issues!! What about keybed issues with the 73/88? What about the numerous OS bugs? In fairness to Korg they reacted quickly to the jog wheel and eventually to the keybed (initially stating the problem affected less than 1% of sales, but then offered FOC keybed replacements...). OS bugs remain as does a major Karma one - and then the Editor situation was farcical. Everyone's expecting the v2 but no-one knows if it will be worth the wait. Then there's the whole Kronos-X thing just to confuse matters (possibly a ploy to prevent new buyers being put of by the well known issues)...



      I'm sure if Korg could re-release the Kronos, they would do it much better now.



      As to the AT topic - isn't this just a way the manufacturers differentiate productline placing in the market? Most cars don't have electric seats - but you can have them if you pay more. Isn't that just what's happening here? You can't have every feature built into every level of productline from entry to flagship - there would be no flagship in that case!
      Plugged in: OASYS-88, Jupiter 80, V-Synth GTv2, Korg Symphony Module, ER mk2, D3200, iMS20, Alesis M1 Active Mk2
      Not plugged in: X5D, Wavestation, Delta
      Sold: M3-61/Radias/256, Radias with keys, Trinity with Prophecy, MS2000B, T3ex, NS5R, ES-1, EA-1, ER-1
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      • #33






        Quote Originally Posted by zzzxtreme
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        oh, 1/4" at the back. i take that face palm back






        I will let you decide but it is only one according to this. I suspect at the front:



        ''Headphone Output:



        3.5mmStereo phone jack



        Output Impedance: 33, Maximum level: 60 + 60[mW] (In case of 33 Loaded)''
        世界で最高のシンセはmicroKORGにある

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        • #34






          Quote Originally Posted by Bernard
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          Oh and that's a strength over the recent Jup80/50/Integra. It's not presets plus VA tweaks and some tweaks on sound, its a full on synth.




          The Jupiter is a full-on synth as well. The fact that people don't know that reflects the fact that many Jupiter demos/videos are as bad as many of Korg's. ;-)

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          • #35






            Quote Originally Posted by evildragon
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            ****************ing idiots, again no aftertouch on the board in that price range. What a failure. It is really not expensive to add AT, in fact I bet it wouldn't raise the end price least bit if they had it in there. There's no facepalm big enough.




            Seriously right?



            I have a Roland AX7 keytar and an Axiom - both of which have aftertouch. WTF Korg?
            Vocal Gear: Audix OM3xb, Boss VE-20 | Synth Gear: iPad and apps | Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Roland AX7

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            • #36
              RH3 on the 88 and 73?

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              • #37
                Forgive me, but apart from the nicer touch screen and a new piano sound, is there really anything that makes this worth ditching my M50?? It's not looking worth the upgrade so far, especially if they haven't improved the keybed. I also happen to think it looks fugly as sin.

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                • #38






                  Quote Originally Posted by AnotherScott
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                  The Jupiter is a full-on synth as well. The fact that people don't know that reflects the fact that many Jupiter demos/videos are as bad as many of Korg's. ;-)




                  Roland need to do more to win hard core synth'rs as it is still a basic synth in some ways... Depends on what you want... It is deep on wave chioce in the VA section and they have added some bits that would have been nice on GAIA, but are needed in that interface... If you need its sound go for it...
                  世界で最高のシンセはmicroKORGにある

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                  • #39






                    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyParent
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                    I have a Roland AX7 keytar and an Axiom - both of which have aftertouch.




                    Of course, those don't have any sounds in them. It's always something. ;-)



                    I think they are going to far in cost-cutting, though. The M50 (no aftertouch) replaced the TR (which had aftertouch). As I recall, the M50 was also cheaper, despite the addition of a touchscreen, so you can see where the dollars went. But it is a shame that lightweight performance boards are so often so scaled down. The TR also had assignable outs and sockets for sample RAM. The M50 would have been better with all those things the TR had, even if it meant adding a couple of hundred dollars to the price. Korg's argument probably would have been that you should buy an M3, but those things weigh a ton and so are not nearly as gig friendly.

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                    • #40






                      Quote Originally Posted by cresshead
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                      ...

                      just for clarity this isn't a synth is it?

                      it's a rompler right?




                      Rompler waves only but KORG have a bloody good synth structure behind them... Yamaha will tell you their Motifs ARE VA's, and in that sense so could Korg..



                      In both cases these recent synths fall under ROMpler type regardless of where the waves sit, if they stream etc... lets not worry about that...



                      If your not aware look into Korgs history... that have very detailed synth structure.. e.g. you can have two filters in series...
                      世界で最高のシンセはmicroKORGにある

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                      • #41






                        Quote Originally Posted by Nismology
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                        Forgive me, but apart from the nicer touch screen and a new piano sound, is there really anything that makes this worth ditching my M50?? It's not looking worth the upgrade so far, especially if they haven't improved the keybed. I also happen to think it looks fugly as sin.




                        From what I can see so far, no, it's not enough of a difference to bother upgrading from an M50, unless you really want the improved piano/EP sounds. But then, I don't think the primary market for this board is people who already own an M50.

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                        • #42






                          Quote Originally Posted by AnotherScott
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                          Of course, those don't have any sounds in them. It's always something. ;-)



                          I think they are going to far in cost-cutting, though. The M50 (no aftertouch) replaced the TR (which had aftertouch). As I recall, the M50 was also cheaper, despite the addition of a touchscreen, so you can see where the dollars went. But it is a shame that lightweight performance boards are so often so scaled down. The TR also had assignable outs and sockets for sample RAM. The M50 would have been better with all those things the TR had, even if it meant adding a couple of hundred dollars to the price. Korg's argument probably would have been that you should buy an M3, but those things weigh a ton and so are not nearly as gig friendly.




                          Sadly it also comes down to Marketing/Product management. They want to position it below other products so upgraders feel the increased cost worthwhile...



                          Many other reasons also...



                          I suspect a lot of synths are purchased these days as a compromise as so many features have been wiped out but the buyer has no other choice left in the Market at a given price point...



                          Weight saving on certain items lost cannot be denied... It's a big game really
                          世界で最高のシンセはmicroKORGにある

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                          • #43






                            Quote Originally Posted by AnotherScott
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                            From what I can see so far, no, it's not enough of a difference to bother upgrading from an M50, unless you really want the improved piano/EP sounds. But then, I don't think the primary market for this board is people who already own an M50.




                            It looks to be made for people who know they probably wouldn't use the advanced features and synthesis engines of the Kronos and just want the palette of sounds, and gigging musicians who want something lightweight that sounds good.



                            It makes good business sense, though on another level it's not very inspiring.



                            As for the MicroKorg, I like the black key / metallic red panel color scheme. It's too bad they didn't graft a new Electribe onto the back of it.



                            Advanced VA + Groove Drum Machine + 37 keys + software editor + cool color scheme = MicroTribe.
                            Kronos, Fant.G8, PC3X, K2500RS, A6, Q, M3-61, Fant.X7, Motif 8, EX5(x2), V-Synth, K2000(x2), D50, JD800, JD990, JP8080, XP30, MC909, MC505, JX-10, JX-305, TR-707, Juno 1, DR-202, Radias, Triton Pro, Wavest. SR, EMX1, ESX1, ER-1, EA-1, R3, Poly 800, RS7000, FS1R (x2), RM1X, AN200, DX200, QY70, QY100, K5000S, OB-12, Maschine,ASR10,ASR88,ASR-X Pro, EPS,Virus B, Equinox,E-Mu XL-7,MiniAK, Synthstation,X-Station, XioSynth,TG33,Venom,V50,UltraNova,Z1,Spark,Moog LP Stage II, JP8000,Tetra,Supernova 2.

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                            • #44
                              Kashmir Combi FTW!
                              Korg Triton Extreme, Yamaha CP33, Vermona Lancet Mono, Voce V3, M Audio Venom
                              Carvin TL60t, G&L S500 tribute, Agile AL3010 > Carvin MTS Combo Korg AX3000G

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                              • #45






                                Quote Originally Posted by triton76
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                                Kashmir Combi FTW!




                                There were several cool combis and patches in this video that would be nice to have in the Kronos.
                                Keyboards: Roland Fantom G6 (2); Korg Kronos 61; Muse Receptor VIP; Nord Electro 3; Privia PX-350Guitar Stuff: Route 101 Solimar; Line 6 POD X3 Live, Pocket POD (2)

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