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  • I found the VL4 for $399.95 at MusiciansBuy.com. It was a link from another poster in this forum topic.

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    • I just spoke to them and they are going to sell it at $475.00, but they won't get that many to begin with as they have just now received alot of the 2.

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      • I recieved my Digitech Vocalist Live 2 on Monday and I've been messing with it every night since. I have some observations that I would like to share on this unit. First of all, on the settings. There is a post earlier on this topic that had suggested settings, go back and print that, I've tried the settings in a number of different configurations and the ones posted earlier are actually the best combination. The only one that I had to set differently was the mic input knob on the back. I'm using a Shure SM58 and the unit really gooses the signal. That in fact is another observation I haven't seen pointed out here. The Digitech gooses up both your mic and your guitar signal. I expected it on the vocal mic but I was a little surprised on the guitar signal. I run the guitar out into a Line6 POD XT Live after the Digitech and even with the volume pedal all the way off signal still gets through. Something else that no one has touched on here is the unison settings. Unison 1 is not pitch corrected, while Unison 2 is, they sound good when used seperately, however the real beauty is running both Unisons at the same time. When you do this it cancels out the pitch correction, however it thickens up the vocal to a studio quality sound. The bummer is on this unit, and I sure that's why they built patches for the Vocalist 4, is that you can't really jump from having the nice thick dual Unisons running then kick to a harmony without bending down and punching the harmony buttons on and off, which we all know is totally impractical in a live situation. It puts you somewhat in a quandry because obviously you're not going to use harmonies on all songs, however it is tempting to use dual unison on all songs. It gives you such a nice thick sound that when you don't have it on you sound weaker! For ease of live use (which I haven't been able to do yet, next gig is next Saturday so I'll learn a lot that night) I believe I'll just leave the harmonies set and kick them on and off on the 18 or songs that I will use them on. Another word about the harmonies, they are "cut back" somewhat to not sound overpowering, much like a good studio recording, you know that they are there but they don't dominate the lead vocalist voice.

        The effects are pegged very nicely and are easy to use to, however you don't need to add a lot of them in to get results so proceed with caution. And last, make sure you turn down your PA channel and your gain knob before you fire this up for the first time because thing really juices the signal. I had to turn down the input knob on the back of the unit and bring my usual gain structure way down to get within the proper signal ratio. Anyway, I hope this helps out. This thing is a blast.
        Chris

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        • will the device work with an acoustic that uses a mic rather than a pickup?

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          • I haven't tried that, but I don't see why it wouldn't as long as you use a 1/4 plug.

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            • I'm using a Shure SM58 and the unit really gooses the signal. That in fact is another observation I haven't seen pointed out here. The Digitech gooses up both your mic and your guitar signal. I expected it on the vocal mic but I was a little surprised on the guitar signal. I run the guitar out into a Line6 POD XT Live after the Digitech and even with the volume pedal all the way off signal still gets through.


              I used the VL2 with my new band, VL2, today (with Brian Hardgroove from Public Enemy on drums, and me playing Gibson's Digital Les Paul so I can pull out bass, lead, and rhythm sounds at the same time. And if anyone from DigiTech is listening, I'm using an RP250 as an octave divider on strings 4-6, and the GNX3000 on the magnetic pickup output. The sound is HUGE!).

              Anyway, yes, the output is line level but this is typical for vocal processing units. The reason why is that these devices typically include a preamp to condition the weak mic signal, and it doesn't make sense to cut things back to mic level. I ran the VL2 out into a Bose L1 and just treated the VL2 out like a line level signal...works great.

              BTW my wife was listening to us practice and said "Who is that singing?!?" Now, she's heard my voice plenty of times before, but the VL2 added quite a dimension to what I was doing, so much so that she wasn't sure it was really me. I used one high harmony and one unison. Using two of the high harmonies sounded too "sweet" for the very hard rock that we're playing, whereas harmony+unison was perfect.

              As to guitar level, I'm a little confused about your post because with my setup, it was clear that the guitar thru is an exact replica of the guitar in. I didn't have to re-adjust any of my guitar effects settings when I inserted the VL2; it was exactly the same as when I plugged guitar straight in. Are you sure something else wasn't changed somewhere along the line?
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              • Maybe someone from DigiTech can answer this, but unless I was imagining things, it seems that a decently high mix of unison and harmony sounds allows getting more gain before feedback. I thought about this for a bit, and figured that maybe it's because the signal is different, therefore it's harder to set up a feedback loop...anyone else notice this?

                The other thing I had noticed earlier but neglected to mention in this thread is that reaction to changes at the guitar is instantaneous, so if you start with the wrong chorc and correct it, the vocal will follow along. I found this out because there's this slight pause at the beginning of a verse where the guitar stops playing, but the key has changed. The VL2 keys in to the previous chord but as soon as I hit the next chord, the harmony locks right in. As the pause is so short, it's not really a problem.

                I have to say, it's one thing to use the VL2 to "test it out" or cut a vocal track, and that's impressive enough. But it's another to use it in a band context, and hear how it fills out the sound...I'm actually even MORE impressed than when I started this thread.
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                • [COLOR="Red"][Criag wirtes:As to guitar level, I'm a little confused about your post because with my setup, it was clear that the guitar thru is an exact replica of the guitar in. I didn't have to re-adjust any of my guitar effects settings when I inserted the VL2; it was exactly the same as when I plugged guitar straight in. Are you sure something else wasn't changed somewhere along the line?[/QUOTE]

                  I set it up as directed, from guitar straight into the Digitech "guitar in thru" 1/4 jacks to my POD XT Live and then into my Traynor. I'm using a Parker Fly with Dimarzio pickups which run pretty hot on my wireless as well so maybe its just where the signal is originating from that is making the signal so strong as it goes throught the chain. Its not a big deal, however I have the main patch set up on my POD to act like an old tube amp by which the more volume you feed the more distortion (no so much louder as a break up of the signal like old small 50-60's tube amp, Love that sound!) so I'll have to find a middle ground.

                  One more comment on what Craig pointed out. I notice myself gravitating time an again to Unison 2 with High Harmony (3rd above) on most rock songs as well. We cover a few country tunes like Boot Scootin and Frends in Low Places and on those tunes the 3rd and 5th above sounds outstanding. I still haven't got to use mine yet in a gig situation (can't wait until next Saturday) but I bet its going to make a huge inprovment in our sound. Its so competitive for gigs in Southeast Michigan right now, that you need something that is going to set you apart from the crowd. Most of the cover bands here are pretty good players so I'm hoping to snare more gigs by the polish that this unit is gonna add to our vocals (and were already pretty good at them!)
                  Thanks for your further input, Craig.
                  Chris

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                  • Now I am reconsidering, man I am going to have to go and test this unit for myself at a local store. I want something easy to use, yet is good enough to use in a studio as well as for live applications.
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                    • Hello all,

                      Just got mine and love it so far, very capable just like its predecessor, and much easier to use than the tc helicon unit, I returned that one.

                      I am not a tech guy and most of my musical history has been with bands that have sound guys to take care of technical stuff. Recently I joined an accoustic set-up and have been more involved in my on gear, I sing by the way, and don't play guitar.

                      My idea is to run the the rhythim guitar in my unit to get the correct harmonies, but, has anyone used this unit with vocals alone, with no instrument input? I have doing some accapela stuff and this thing sounds dam fine to me, unison and third up work great so far, and I am getting into more complex songs and taking notes on settings, but does anyone lese have any experience with what I am doing? Please share!

                      By the way I use either an EV 510 handheld condenser, or a Shure Beta 87a, depending on the venue, preferr the EV...run via the digitech unit and into the mixer. The pre-amp in the unit is very good, the compressor very usable, EQ is good enough for most applications, and harmonies are excellent. I love it so far.

                      Rod
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                      • I have done some acapella with the unit and also finger style and the VL2 responds real well to both situations. If you have your guitar player run through the unit and you sing through it will work just fine.

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                        • I have done some acapella with the unit and also finger style and the VL2 responds real well to both situations. If you have your guitar player run through the unit and you sing through it will work just fine.


                          Thanks for the quick reply! I am so pumped up about this thing! Can't wait to gig with it on Wednesday! It took me days to get something decent out of the TC Helicon unit, minutes with this one! Simplicity in technology, beautiful!

                          Rod
                          www.tablefor2.net

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                          • I picked one up today from GC and I've been playing with it for a couple of hours now. Overall I like the results, but I do feel it's a bit limited for live use and I think I'll wait it out to audition the Live 4. (I'm in a cover band and I foresee a lot of bending over to change settings). Also, I didn't notice it at first, but my Live 2 is labeled wrong! The 3 enhance buttons (resonance, clarify, and shine) all appear under the reverb knob/heading, while the Reverb buttons (studio, room, and hall) are under the Enhance knob/heading. It's no biggie and the unit works as it should, but I think I will return it for the correct layout cause it can get confusing. (or wait for the live 4).

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                            • So the unit does not have to have a guitar plugged in in order to use it? How does the pitch correction know what key to use then?
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                              • To start, I really want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread, especially Craig. I read it for awhile and felt good about buying the VL2 because of you folks. I've had mine for almost a month now. I ordered it via the phone with Music123 prior to its release. I was very surprised when he immediately offered it to me for $275, took money off a dual 1/4" chord (for stereo vocals), and no shipping.

                                I play a weekly gig in SW Florida as a solo act with a recently purchased Variax 300 and Carvin PA equipment (8-channel, 1000w, stereo, and 3-way 12" speakers), Boss DR-5 drums, and the VL2. Last week I used the I-Key USB recorder - http://www.ikey-audio.com/ikey.htm - to record my gig so I was able to really hear how the VL2 performed.

                                The bartenders immediately knew something was up with the vocals and a couple people thought I bought some backing tracks. I said "no, this is live - watch this" and played the E-B-A... to "Nowhere Man" and they were floored. The A-Am section was great. I did "I Shall Be Released" and it was like singing with my old band except the VL2 matched me perfectly.

                                I'm really loving tapping on and off to get vocals on certain phrases. Heck, if you're really good with it, you could conceivably do "Twist & Shout" doing John singing lead and Paul & George with harmonies. When I did "Wildfire" by Michael Murphy, I sang "She ran and called him" and then tapped for "Wildfire" and it was also perfect for the G-G/F#-Em-A7-Dmaj7 progression.

                                Also, I pretty much stick to the first high harmony a 3rd above although the low harmony can work if your lead vocal isn't in the basement.

                                For me, as a solo act, this is about the best piece of gear I've ever purchased.

                                Thanks again!
                                Tom

                                ps - Craig, excuse my ignorance in here but are you the same guy who's Recording book I bought many years ago?
                                Tom D

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