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  • Sunday Knows

    I'm struggling with this tune.

    It's been sitting on the shelf for a couple of months while other songs have come on strong for my ongoing project that I'm calling 'The Awakening'. I thought this album was about love songs....but I have come to the realization that it is about a love affair. Feel free to ponder on the difference.

    This feels like an important song within this context and, while I have been playing it a lot and I think I have its true form, it has still been eluding me.

    Any comments on lyrics, arrangement and instrumentation would be truly appreciated.

    In this rough draft it goes something like this:

    http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7013887

    What is the distance
    Between these shores?
    Sunday knows.

    How do I miss you
    This much more?
    Sunday knows for sure.

    Instr.

    I need to tell you
    That dreams do come true.
    Look inside for the proof.

    'Cause sunday knows.
    Sunday knows for sure.

    instr.

    How do I love you?
    Sunday knows.
    Sunday knows for sure.

    Sunday knows.
    Sunday knows for sure.
    Leonard Scaper

  • #2
    Very creative...you could do lots of things with this...more story or more musical changes but only if it helps make it better...as is it is cool...it has feel and emotion...good luck!!

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    • #3
      Pretty good song. Reminds me a little of Mark Lanegan with some interesting things thrown in.

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      • #4
        It's vague. Doing more would make it less vague. However, vague may be perfect for this. It kind of leaves the listener hanging on and interested in finding out what will happen. Personally, as a listener, I'd like to hear a little more about Sunday. Who/what is Sunday and what is it's significance? Maybe we shouldn't know or maybe it's obvious for others (I'm terrible at interpreting poetry).

        If it were my song, I would find a way give the last line of the song a twist. A revelation about Sunday that we're not expecting.

        However, as it is, I enjoy it. Good song.
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        • #5
          I don
          -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
          Hate is like taking poison, hoping the other guy gets sick.

          How above being tricked are you? Take the test
          ---->
          HERE

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          • #6
            Thanks all.

            I guess this tune IS vague as I hear it through your collective perspective. I think, though, that it may fit well that way on the album (first six tunes on my SC site).

            I'm getting the idea that these lovers spend the entire week together and then miss each other terribly on the weekends. How much? Guess only Sunday knows. I really like the idea of getting that message in somehow toward the end.

            As far as musical and lyrical changes go....that is what I have struggled with. I keep wanting to expand it and step out more but the song just won't let me. You may be right, Marko, about simple and clean.

            And until I can afford some cool backup singers I'll be sneaking those TC Helicon Quintet harmonies in everywhere.
            Leonard Scaper

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            • #7
              I can appreciate the skills you have on guitar (they are far beyond mine). I do find there's too much going on in the guitar dept. If I were to suggest a change, it would be to create a solid base for the song, maybe fingerpicking or strumming, then call and response with the two guitars. At times they seem to fight for the listener's attention. Simplify the arrangment but keep the intricacies intact. Vocals and melody are good as is IMHO but don't get enough attention...
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              • #8

                And until I can afford some cool backup singers I'll be sneaking those TC Helicon Quintet harmonies in everywhere.

                It does create some nice sounds....
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                • #9
                  I do find there's too much going on in the guitar dept.


                  Excellent advise!

                  I'll spend a little time tonight on volume automation......see if I can get those two guits to sit a little better.
                  Leonard Scaper

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                  • #10
                    Is Saturday without you too much to endure?
                    Only Sunday knows for sure.
                    __________
                    Ain't no sacrilege to call Elvis king
                    Dad is great and all but he never could sing -
                    Jesus

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                    • #11
                      Is Saturday without you too much to endure?
                      Only Sunday knows for sure.


                      Ooh, I like that.

                      Defines the sentiment exactly.
                      Alesis QS8, Ensoniq Fizmo, Oberheim OB-12, E-MU Vintage Keys Plus, Rhodes 73 Stage, Wurlitzer 145, Wurlitzer 146B, Wurlitzer 206A, Yamaha CP-70B, Yamaha CP-30, Kawai EP-608, Hohner D6 Clavinet, Mellotron M400, Hammond M-3, Vox Jaguar, Baldwin Fun Machine, Wurlitzer MLM, SCI Pro-One, Moog Rogue, Arp Explorer I, Moog Opus 3, Arp Omni 2, Multivox MX-202, Crumar Orchestrator, Crumar Performer, Akai AX80, Akai AX60 w/S612 sampler, Korg Poly 800, Ensoniq Mirage, Roland CR-78.

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                      • #12
                        Defines the sentiment exactly.


                        Sure does!

                        I think, however, that I may let the astute listener get there without that much help.
                        Leonard Scaper

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                        • #13
                          Is Saturday without you too much to endure?
                          Only Sunday knows for sure.


                          Sure does!

                          I think, however, that I may let the astute listener get there without that much help


                          I think you should consider his sugg...JMO

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                          • #14
                            I must not be an astute listener because I would never get there on my own. Like I said before, I'm not a very skilled poetry interpreter. Unless a melody and arrangement are so catchy and enthralling that lyrics don't matter, I prefer not to solve riddles from the lyrics.

                            Without some sort of summation or resolution at the end, it might just come off as a bit instead of a song. Because of your humble initial post, I listened to it as an unfinished idea from someone who desperately wants to know what his song needs. However, your response suggests that you already consider the song complete.

                            One really good line or a simple few words could really rap this idea up and turn it into a song... IMO.

                            Either way, you sound extremely talented and know what you're going for. I like the song. I just didn't understand it until you explained it. Unfortunately, you might not have the liberty of explaining your songs to everyone who might hear them, which could cost you a fan base (if you're concerned about such things).
                            Alesis QS8, Ensoniq Fizmo, Oberheim OB-12, E-MU Vintage Keys Plus, Rhodes 73 Stage, Wurlitzer 145, Wurlitzer 146B, Wurlitzer 206A, Yamaha CP-70B, Yamaha CP-30, Kawai EP-608, Hohner D6 Clavinet, Mellotron M400, Hammond M-3, Vox Jaguar, Baldwin Fun Machine, Wurlitzer MLM, SCI Pro-One, Moog Rogue, Arp Explorer I, Moog Opus 3, Arp Omni 2, Multivox MX-202, Crumar Orchestrator, Crumar Performer, Akai AX80, Akai AX60 w/S612 sampler, Korg Poly 800, Ensoniq Mirage, Roland CR-78.

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                            • #15
                              Turns out that you guys are right.

                              Played the song live last night and got off course a little at the end........until I remembered that line (kind of). I put it in a little free form and it stretched the song out a little.

                              I could tell by the reaction of those listening that the story suddenly made sense.

                              Problem now is that I did feel that the recorded tune was nearing completion as I like the way it has shaped up in this form. Might need to record another entire version to shape it the way I played it last night.

                              Gotta say....this is a GREAT place to flesh out ideas with fellow songsters. Thanks again to all.
                              Leonard Scaper

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