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Originally posted by outtahear Hell, even moral, christian Moms in good right wing christian, Moral States like Texas, have been known to drown their 5 children, one at a time, in the bathtub she bathed the 'lil {censored}ers in. All because God came and told her to! And, really...if God told her, who are we.......... do you think someone should stop her?

Originally posted by charliedango The same can be said for discussions with right wing conservatives and fundamentalist Christians. You can't have a discussion with someone who angers at the mere mention of an opposing opinion. Liberal and conservative alike. not 'angry' just doesn't go anywhere... so, true, it ends up being a waste of time for both sides...if nothing is 'learned' that is.

Originally posted by Mood Sphinx O RLY?? Name ONE that supports your assertions. here ya go....I have dozens more if you are interested??? ACLJ PRESS RELEASE - MAY 7, 1999 ACLJ SECURES FREE SPEECH VICTORY FOR MINNESOTA STATE EMPLOYEE WHO CRITICIZED GAY PRIDE CELEBRATION (Minneapolis, MN) -- The American Center for Law and Justice, a public interest law firm, today announced the State of Minnesota has agreed to remove a reprimand from the personnel file of an employee with the Minnesota Department of Health who expressed his opposition to the state's promotion of the homosexual life-style and agenda. "This is an important victory for free speech in the workplace," said Francis J. Manion, Senior Regional Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice - Midwest, who handled the case. "The law is clear that government employees have the right to express their opinions on matters of public concern. We are very pleased that we were able to safeguard the free speech rights of our client." The ACLJ filed a federal lawsuit against the Department of Health in January 1998 on behalf of Eric Brown, a department employee who was reprimanded and threatened with firing after he sent a series of e-mail messages to Department officials stating that he did not believe the homosexual lifestyle should be promoted by the Health Department with the celebration of "Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Pride Month" in June 1997. In March of this year, U.S. District Judge John R. Tunheim ruled that Brown's e-mail messages, although strongly worded and highly critical, did not constitute harassment. At the same time, the court held that Health Department officials "cannot suppress employee expression on a public concern simply because the views expressed are deeply offensive or contradict the department's stated position." Following the ruling, the two sides began settlement negotiations. The Department has now agreed to remove the reprimand of Brown from his personnel file and to expunge all references to this disciplinary action from all records and files maintained by the Department. The Department also agreed to reimburse the ACLJ-Midwest for the legal expenses incurred in bringing the lawsuit. Manion said: "This was a situation where a government agency was promoting and celebrating - at taxpayer's expense - lifestyles which violate the deeply held religious beliefs of Christians and other people of faith. When Eric Brown expressed his opinion and stated his religious beliefs to his employer, the Department basically told him to shut up or be fired. The action was unacceptable and we are pleased to be able to correct this wrong." The American Center for Law and Justice is an international public interest law firm and educational organization that focuses on pro-family, pro-life, and pro-liberty issues. The ACLJ, which is headquartered in Virginia Beach, Virginia, also defends the First Amendment free speech rights of people of faith. Didn't think so

Originally posted by potaetoes it's quite the opposite. they're adamant about keeping jerks like you from legislating against their personal liberty. are you really that stupid? truly, unbelievable....you really don't pay attention to current events... I'm gonna go talk amps...this thread, like an ocean wave, has hit the shore... Ann Coulter is RIGHT! you can't have a decent discussion with liberals...truly, a waste of time.

Originally posted by Mood Sphinx Jailing those opposed??? WTF are you talikng about?? I don't know what drugs you're on, but I want me some of that.. I would bet anything that this forum is at least 95% left-wing morons...ANYTHING!

Originally posted by outtahear You're a {censored}ing idiot. Now get out there and vote! What the {censored} are you (and others) so {censored}ing afraid of? The BOOGIEMAN! baloon issues always work witrh some folks. This week: The N.Y. Times (Liberal Media, or "{censored}ing Jews") printing an artical about the administrations continuing ass-wiping with our rights. With a program they themselves have been bragging about for nearly a year. With the economy in the toilet (Oh, and if you owe a half million, and you get a $5/h raise, you're still in the red....) Jobs lost overseas, and 10% of another countries poorest illegally crossing the boarder to drive low wages lower, a minimum wage NO-ONE in this counrty can survive on, health care, THIS is the {censored} you morons are worried about?? If your house catches fire, do you dust, clean, THEN call the fire dept?? Hi... Welcome aboard!....nice post!!!

Originally posted by potaetoes what the hell are you blathering about? you'll always be free to be as big an asshole as you want to be. you can hate fags as to your heart's content, no matter what law is passed. you can't do it in such a way that it impinges on another person's life, and that IS american. discrimination is your right, go ahead and do it all you want, as long as it doesn't affect other people - being free from the consequences of your choice to discriminate is everyone else's right. laws against discrimination do NOT hurt you at all. it just prevents your beliefs from screwing up other people's lives, which is EXACTLY what this country was founded on. you really are a pumpkin head if you don't believe the gay lesbian agenda to squash opposition to their lifestyle is REAL and IN YOUR FACE. They are very adamant about legislating their lifestyle and prosecuting/jailing those opposed to the homosexual lifestyle as a 'civil' matter equated with race and hate crimes...where have you been?

Originally posted by potaetoes you can say it as many times as you want - it won't magically become a fact. and you denying it doesn't prove anything.... if you want to be a homo? go ahead.... if you want to take away my RIGHT to disagree with you publically....then it is anti-American.

Originally posted by telephant Its people like this that are sending our civilization back a 1000 years. And if the first post in this thread is any indication, its seems that is in fact their goal. do you think TRUTH is time sensitive?....how many years of evolution do you think will have to transpire before a homosexual male starts producing a fetus instead of a turd? if gays and lesbians want to sexually gratify themselves at the expense of 'any orafice goes'...then, GO AHEAD! I have nothing against their right to PRIVACY.....now, if what they are trying to do is LEGITIMIZE this activity and make it "illegal" for me to disagree with this lifestyle (which is what they are trying to do...) so that I cannot publically object or be thrown in jail...THEN, I believe this is nothing more than ol' fashion reverse McCarthyism...FORCING me to agree or else! this is NOT American! I do Not FORCE my worldview down any one's throat, I don't try to LEGISLATE my lifestyle so that others cannot disagree with me or be thrown in jail.

Originally posted by charliedango A society can't be judged by a few of it's members, if it were, then the US would be no better than any other nation on this planet. I would equate head-removing insurgents with G.I.'s who mow down innocent civilians for whatever reason. There are those who do the right thing, those that do the wrong thing and those that are simply following orders and believe they aren't responsible for their own actions. I don't get what you mean???

Originally posted by Bopper Really? I've never seen a gay sexual act in my life, but I can definitely spot many homosexuals. So your argument falls a little short. Also, your argument is similar to saying that the only thing that distinguishes a man and a woman are sex organs. If you really believe that, then you haven't been paying a lot of attention. You may think that you can 'spot' the homosexuals, but you may be wrong...this isn't an accurate 'test'....do you mean by the way they dress and act?....I've seen and met many people that are very 'gay like'....not accurate. distinguishing characteristic: sex act. (period)...no hyped up reports on the hypothalamus, no 'gay gene', no physical/biological disposition or DNA distinguishes them as any different...it is an act of their WILL...

should society legislate morality?...if so? who's morality? Biblical?...majority consensus? left-wing? right-wing?...at some point someone is going to disagree...is there an OBJECTIVE authority that we can appeal to? and a message to the left-wing cry babies: I wonder if it were YOU with a dull knife at YOUR neck, in the hands of a raving lunatic radical muslum whack-job, if it were YOU! I wonder if the last thing going through your mind, as he slices your throat and cuts your head off, would be: "this is wrong! someone should do something to stop these people from subjugating and murdering innocent folks"......you'd be loving your liberators then wouldn't you! trying to equate our liberating troops with these murderous wackos is not accurate. if being a liberal means you can't see the difference...then I'm definitely NOT a liberal.

Originally posted by Mood Sphinx Really?? Evidence please.... I call BS... = slippery slope argument. Doesn't hold any water as demonstrated (mentioned but NOT demonstrated...) earlier in this thread already. ..expense?? What expense? Saw on the ol' idiot box (TV) about a month ago, some woman in Europe tying the knot (in a private ceremony in her backyard...though camaras were there..) with her goat! was it 'legal'...I don't know, I do know that she took it very seriously. I will say it again....The ONLY thing separating gays from non-gays is a sexual act... Slippery slope argument? Yes, admittedly, BUT, the Gay/lesbian alliance (GLAD) has proven to have this type of agenda... and watch, you will see that I am right on this.. and equating 'sexual preference' with 'race' is apples and oranges.

Originally posted by Mood Sphinx Whatever dude. You still haven't given us one good, well-thought out reason why gay marriage should not be recognized, other than "I don't believe it's right". And we need to amend the constition and codify intolerance because YOU don't think it's right?? Gimme a break Why should we stop there? some woman in Europe married her pet goat.... The ONLY thing separating 'GAY' people from 'NON GAY' people is an act of sex. Most gay people enjoy the 'attention' they get for being 'different'....if gay marriage is allowed (and eventually it WILL BE) then, what other 'attention' grabbing hissy fit are the gay/lesbians gonna pull next? Give the gays everything they want...they will still find something to cry about..(example: there aren't enough gays in pro sports, not enough gay coaches, teachers, CEO's, etc...) just another SELF interest group trying to distance themselves to get MORE goodies at the expense of the masses...

Originally posted by indespise You just summed one of my favorite quotes: "What are the fruits of christianity? Love, peace, joy, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, patience, self-control." -James Madison and yet, how ironic that you, sir, fit squarely in the middle of my description of an angry, disrespectful leftist... This thread proves one thing: You cannot legislate morality and you cannot FORCE someone to be respectful of flags or even other's opinions. It's like forcing someone to 'love' you....the action defeats the purpose.

Originally posted by TWPietz37 I'm not afraid to express my opinions of the way the government is running things, and you know what? That's one of the great things about America. Like I mentioned in a previous post, I have never burned the American flag, nor do I ever intend to. However, although I think it is a stupid and insensitive thing to do, I think it is completely undermining everything this country stands for to try and limit what is essentially guaranteed under the first amendment. What makes this country so great is the freedoms which we are afforded (including the "right" to burn the flag.) Tyler burning/desecrating the flag, soon will NOT be a 'right'

Originally posted by DeathMonkey So what a bunch of dudes playing army do in secret is OK with you? You are comfortable with not knowing what is going on in your own government? Don't wrap everyone in with your own ignorance. That {censored} is a cop out. "The truth is out there", the problem is that so few people are actually thought to think, and to be media savvy that you have people vomiting forth rhetoric like "you don't actually know what's going on, so you have no basis for your opinion". Black Ops. Dude, did you just out your wife on TEH INTARWEBS??? {censored}ing moron. Or, far more likely, a big {censored}ing liar. look, we have a govt. to make these decisions and protect us...if you don't trust them...then, vote for the other guy on election day!...my wife used to work security for a secret military vendor (for 16 years..jackass...), I don't even know what she did or where...she had the highest civilian security clearance and routinely briefed/cleared Generals, Admirals, politicians etc...a few of our friends are CIA and ex-CIA... I have a bit of experience in dealing with these matters...I don't feel I have to impress a bag of retarts on a guitar forum...if you think you have enough information to hang this present administration...you, sir, are deluded...as most on the left are...(quite a few on the right too!)

Originally posted by Lgehrig4 I am not religious nor do I have anything against homosexuality. when a man lusts after another man or woman lusts after another woman there is a problem. Genetic? Learned? Who knows, but it goes against the nature of all living creatures - to procreate and continue the gene pool. I would never avoid or disrespect a person for being gay because they feel, care and have the same needs as heteros and outside of our sexual preferences we are the same. I will not, however, pretend that everything is normal because it is not! Lusting after the same sex is not what nature intended. An albino lacking pigment is not what nature intended. A mentally retarded person is not result of the perfectly developed fetus. That said, IMO the benefits of marriage should be only be for couples made of one man and one woman. Why? Not because God said so. Not because it is disgusting. Because only man and woman and create a child and raise the child to do the same therefore continuing the race(many do a poor job these days). Marriage evolved because humans have a reproductive instinct and ability to rationalize. oh my goodness! a man with a brain and a conscience...how did you get in here?...you better run before the leftist gorillas get you! HURRY!!!!

Originally posted by Philo Beddoe The cattle were infected with pachinko slot machines hanging from their nose. The moose came calling with angry pillows. well...well,...if the tailgate smoothed the tall grass then how come potato pancakes have eggs in the motherboard?

Originally posted by Philo Beddoe Was judas really a priet? judas was a man that thought he was a woman...er,...oh, I mean JoJo...

Originally posted by TWPietz37 You make me ashamed to be a human being. Tyler keep biting the hand that feeds and desecrating the symbols that (are supposed to) unite...every one here wants to run the leftist smack but none wants to go out and pay for the right to do it...let some nameless soldier pay...right? if you are against the war then: SAY IT!...no need to burn our flag or throw a hissy fit... if you are against this present administration: SAY IT! you have complete freedom to express your opinion! Paid for by people you piss on!

Originally posted by -=MYK=- Only if their spines encourage the use of cat guts and squish cheerios from them angry political rabble. the killer awoke before dawn...he put his boots on...he took a face from the ancient gallery and he walked on down the hall...

Originally posted by Philo Beddoe I play an 18 string electric. Top that! judas priest!!! you da MAN!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by -=MYK=- Only if they have tasty tentacles, each of them ten feet long, with iron spectacles glued to their eyelids. this has turned into the 'smoke crack and drop acid' thread... purple umbrellas with the tales of brave Ullysis and the fishies in the sea.....

as if we have the necessary information to make ANY judgment about these issues...most of these issues (political 'Bush bashing' etc... anti-war mongers...stop the war now or else!!! Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger will leave the country! )....are completely SECRET! and, RIGHTFULLY SO!...my wife works for 'black ops' for the govt. ah, there is NO WAY that the average John Q Citizen is going to have access to national security sensitive information at the PUBLIC level...( if we know it, then, our enemies know it...) man, FIGURE IT OUT! if your primary source of information is the evening news, left-wing college professors, CNN or Fox News etc...you are only MILDLY/BIASED informed at that...so stop basing such an 'I know it all' attitude towards this present administration...YOU DON'T HAVE EVEN THE 'TIP OF THE ICEBERG' amount of information to base your Republican or Bush bashing upon...man, guitar players are so easily manipulated into believing anything...especially massaged by the left. Some of yous guys make me ashamed to be a guitar player...