Members hondro Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 are somehow more stable than non-locking tuners and therefore every guitar with a trem should use them As an owner of a guitar with locking tuners, the only thing they did was allow faster string changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 they're not. and honestly, i don't think they do allow for faster string changes. especially when they get stuck. the only guitar i can think of that they should be necessary on are Rics with the R tailpiece and guitars with bigsbys. because those things are a bitch to string up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ending_zero Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Locking tuners are more stable for people who don't know how to properly wind their strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PlectrumPete Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 You are correct. They make it faster to get it right and do not improve stability. Locking nuts do that, but they have their downsides. :ouch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GM Reszel Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 are somehow more stable than non-locking tuners and therefore every guitar with a trem should use them As an owner of a guitar with locking tuners, the only thing they did was allow faster string changes. You are exactly right. Anyone telling that you can use locking tuners over, say a locking nut or just that locking tuners hold better is selling you a line or believes the line. This is fact not opinion. The biggest myth is that tuners slip. Unless something is wrong with the gear mechanism and if you tune up into the pitch to lock the gear it will not slip. If you could attach a device where a 200 pound person could hang from the post (and not have the post break off) they still wouldn't slip. That's the physics of a 14:1 and beyond gear ratio.Tuning problems are more commonly string slack storage from binding at the nut or bridge, bad intonation and/or setup and inexperience.A locking tuner would solve tuning problems caused by someone who winds the strings on the post improperly (too many windings that crowd or bunch up or those guys that put a half winding and expect it to hold). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikey4402 Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Locking tuners are more stable for people who don't know how to properly wind their strings. this^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bag302 Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Don't help tuning stability, but I like them. Comes in handy when swapping or testing pickups/pickguard on strat. I can reuse the strings very easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funderbunk Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Locking tuners can reduce or even eliminate the number of wraps around the tuner post. The thought is that when you use a trem to dive, the lower tension can allow the string to "unwrap" some from the post and it may not lay back down in the same spot when you un-dive, and thus be slightly out of tune. Is it true? Maybe. But I like locking tuners specifically for the faster string changes, which is also why I like the Planet Waves auto-trim tuners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jelloman Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Locking tuners are more stable for people who don't know how to properly wind their strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ten56gibby Posted June 10, 2009 Members Share Posted June 10, 2009 Agreed. It locks the string in, not lock the tuner from turning. Kluson split-shafts are the only tuner for me Such an easy and quick string change. And classy as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members _pete_ Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 Locking tuners can reduce or even eliminate the number of wraps around the tuner post. The thought is that when you use a trem to dive, the lower tension can allow the string to "unwrap" some from the post and it may not lay back down in the same spot when you un-dive, and thus be slightly out of tune.Is it true? Maybe. But I like locking tuners specifically for the faster string changes, which is also why I like the Planet Waves auto-trim tuners. Exactly what I was gonna say. Oh, regular tuners do not slip. Even cheap ones. There may be a little slop between the gears but tuning up to pitch remedies that.Tuners use a worm gear (attached to the tuning knob) and a ring gear (attached to the post). A ring gear cannot turn a worm gear. It's physically impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bro Blue Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 I like them for quick string changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members reverend1 Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 I have both and I can't see any difference in stabilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DarkHorseJ27 Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 And a downside to locking tuners is no alternate tunings (for the most part). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 And a downside to locking tuners is no alternate tunings (for the most part). why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members captainultimus Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 Agreed. It locks the string in, not lock the tuner from turning.Kluson split-shafts are the only tuner for me Such an easy and quick string change. And classy as hell.i love the maple fret board with the black inlays it gives me major gas and to add to the thread if you get those gearless tuners (i think the are steinbrener) they have a 40:1 ratio so allot finer tuning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funderbunk Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 And a downside to locking tuners is no alternate tunings (for the most part). Really? News to me... have never had a problem tuning to any alternate tuning you can imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DarkHorseJ27 Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 Really? News to me... have never had a problem tuning to any alternate tuning you can imagine. Well, if you have it in standard tuning and don't have any winds around the post (the way I see most people do it with locking tuners) it is hard to tune down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 Safety posts FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 Well, if you have it in standard tuning and don't have any winds around the post (the way I see most people do it with locking tuners) it is hard to tune down. not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TelesRock Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 not really. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members caveman Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 I like the the self trimming variety. A breeze to change and I never get poked anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dom1412 Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 Back in my day we didn't like changes! We fought 'em! And we liked it! We loved it! Up hill both ways in the snow with wolves at our heels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 Really. how far down are you tuning from standard? down to open D shouldn't be a problem at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Electric Blues Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 Damn! These are teh most intelligent responses I've seen here in a LONG time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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