Members dimibetan Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 I'm planning a strat build and I have a set of fender hot alnico 3 pickups. These are already hot pickups with DC resistance from 10-12k. I was wondering if I'll install a dummy coil for this set, would there be any effect on tone and output? Cheers,D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrawnHeed Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Isn't the middle pickup RWRP? If so, it will not work well with a dummy coil - you'll get double the hum unless you find a way to reverse the phase of the dummy when using the middle only and take the dummy out of circuit when you are in the in between positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bro Blue Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 ^^ What he said. I have used a dummy coil and it does make a difference in tone, but nothing you can't EQ out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Because you are adding an extra coil in the circuit, either in parallel or series, it does affect output and tone some. The best dummy coil setup I've seen is the Suhr backplate...you want dummy coils away from strings and other pickups, and the backplate gives a nice wide area to pickup interference. But, most importantly you can dial in the compromise between hum and impact on tone. But as noted, dummy coils don't work with RWRP middle pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted August 26, 2012 Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 It can and has been done with RWRP pickup If you are curious, look into how the Gibson Blues Hawk is wired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrawnHeed Posted August 26, 2012 Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 It can and has been done with RWRP pickup If you are curious, look into how the Gibson Blues Hawk is wired Good luck finding a 5 way switch that can do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted August 26, 2012 Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 Good luck finding a 5 way switch that can do the job. Dummy coils make things sound muddy by adding inductance...which kills off high frequencies. You might try 1M pots to compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted August 26, 2012 Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 Good luck finding a 5 way switch that can do the job. You can get a super switch easy enough to do it, but it needlessly complicates things unless you want different switching combinations. But a Blueshawk seems a an example of poor implementation of a dummy coil, a lot of people disconnected the coil because it does have a detrimental (sp?) effect on the BH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrawnHeed Posted August 26, 2012 Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 You can get a super switch easy enough to do it, but it needlessly complicates things unless you want different switching combinations.But a Blueshawk seems a an example of poor implementation of a dummy coil, a lot of people disconnected the coil because it does have a detrimental (sp?) effect on the BH. Could you show a diagram of how a super switch would do this. I can't picture it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted August 26, 2012 Members Share Posted August 26, 2012 Could you show a diagram of how a super switch would do this. I can't picture it. No. Don't feel like drawing one. But a Super Switch is a 4P5T switch. In this case the DUmmy coil needs two poles because we are going to reverse it. So... P1 = Neck PU and Dummy CoilP2 = Neck PU and RWRP Middle PUP3 = RWRP Middle PU and RW Dummy CoilP4 = RWRP Middle PU and Bridge PUP5 = Bridge PU and Dummy Coil The PU's each get wired as normal...Neck, Middle and Bridge ground wires go directly to Ground...Neck Hot goes to pole #1 in P1 and P2Middle Hot goes to pole #2 in P2, P3 and P4Bridge PU goes to pole #1 in P4 and P5Dummy Coil Hot goes to pole #3 and ground goes to #4 in P1...you jumper and cross them to P3 where Hot connects to pole #4 and Ground to pole #3 and then jumper and cross them once more to P5 where Hot once again goes to pole #3 and ground goes to #4 Commons 1,2,3 run to Volume, Common 4 runs to Ground Common 1 also runs to Neck/Bridge Tone controlCommon 2 also runs to Middle Tone control. There is a BIG caveat that I can't do this with traditional tone controls. A Master Tone might be an idea or even the G&L Treble and Bass controls. Actually, thinking about it, if you run a parallel Hot wire from the PU directly to the Tone control for Neck and the same for the Middle PU, it might work. Now, in my head, that should work. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PrawnHeed Posted August 27, 2012 Members Share Posted August 27, 2012 No. Don't feel like drawing one. But a Super Switch is a 4P5T switch. In this case the DUmmy coil needs two poles because we are going to reverse it. So... P1 = Neck PU and Dummy Coil P2 = Neck PU and RWRP Middle PU P3 = RWRP Middle PU and RW Dummy Coil P4 = RWRP Middle PU and Bridge PU P5 = Bridge PU and Dummy Coil The PU's each get wired as normal... Neck, Middle and Bridge ground wires go directly to Ground... Neck Hot goes to pole #1 in P1 and P2 Middle Hot goes to pole #2 in P2, P3 and P4 Bridge PU goes to pole #1 in P4 and P5 Dummy Coil Hot goes to pole #3 and ground goes to #4 in P1...you jumper and cross them to P3 where Hot connects to pole #4 and Ground to pole #3 and then jumper and cross them once more to P5 where Hot once again goes to pole #3 and ground goes to #4 Commons 1,2,3 run to Volume, Common 4 runs to Ground Common 1 also runs to Neck/Bridge Tone control Common 2 also runs to Middle Tone control. There is a BIG caveat that I can't do this with traditional tone controls. A Master Tone might be an idea or even the G&L Treble and Bass controls. Actually, thinking about it, if you run a parallel Hot wire from the PU directly to the Tone control for Neck and the same for the Middle PU, it might work. Now, in my head, that should work. YMMV. Seems like it would work! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dimibetan Posted August 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted August 27, 2012 No. Don't feel like drawing one.But a Super Switch is a 4P5T switch. In this case the DUmmy coil needs two poles because we are going to reverse it. So...P1 = Neck PU and Dummy CoilP2 = Neck PU and RWRP Middle PUP3 = RWRP Middle PU and RW Dummy CoilP4 = RWRP Middle PU and Bridge PUP5 = Bridge PU and Dummy CoilThe PU's each get wired as normal...Neck, Middle and Bridge ground wires go directly to Ground...Neck Hot goes to pole #1 in P1 and P2Middle Hot goes to pole #2 in P2, P3 and P4Bridge PU goes to pole #1 in P4 and P5Dummy Coil Hot goes to pole #3 and ground goes to #4 in P1...you jumper and cross them to P3 where Hot connects to pole #4 and Ground to pole #3 and then jumper and cross them once more to P5 where Hot once again goes to pole #3 and ground goes to #4Commons 1,2,3 run to Volume, Common 4 runs to GroundCommon 1 also runs to Neck/Bridge Tone controlCommon 2 also runs to Middle Tone control.There is a BIG caveat that I can't do this with traditional tone controls. A Master Tone might be an idea or even the G&L Treble and Bass controls. Actually, thinking about it, if you run a parallel Hot wire from the PU directly to the Tone control for Neck and the same for the Middle PU, it might work.Now, in my head, that should work. YMMV. Thanks!!! This is really helpful!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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