Members tlbonehead Posted October 6, 2012 Members Share Posted October 6, 2012 If Ron is so good, why did the Stones become almost completely irrelevant (to me, anyways) after Mick Taylor left? Wood's lead playing is, to me, workman-like, at best.this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members straycat113 Posted October 6, 2012 Members Share Posted October 6, 2012 Is the decline of the Stones supposed to fall on Woods? Nothing happens in the Stones without the approval of Jagger and Richards and maybe if they did not screw Mick Taylor out of his co-writer credits he would of hung around! The Stones are my #2 band behind The Beatles and I would agree that the Woods era is my least favorite period, but they also still did a hell of a lot of good music during the 70's, 80's and 90's. As far as Woods credentials the guy is also in the R&R HOF with the Faces and could stand on that work alone as the guy is an excellent guitarist, bass and slide, lap and pedal steel player. Co-wrote - Stay With Me, Every Picture Tells a Story, Gasoline Alley, and as far as the Stones go he has a writing credit on One Hit to the Body which by the way Keith and Mick worm probably means he came in with the music and 95% of the lyrics. As far back as 73 it is pretty much well know that It's Only R&R was written by Mick and Woods though it says Jagger- Richards and inspired by Ron Woods? What the f#ck does that mean lmfao. Though it is basicaly a fact that everyone knew Marianne Faithful wrote the lyrics to Sister Morphine she is not credited, though Keith admits in his book life that when he saw the lyrics he could tell Marianne wrote them. Who knows how bad Mick Taylor got screwed as he is not shy on the subject! All in all Woods has had a great and very long career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bad Robot Posted October 7, 2012 Members Share Posted October 7, 2012 No, the decline of the Stones doesn't fall on Woods, but nothing they did with him equaled what they did with either Jones or Taylor. There's a correlation there, which doesn't infer causality, but it is suggestive. As I've said, there's nothing I've heard Woods play that made me go 'wow' like Taylor's brilliance, or Jone's multi-instrumentalist contributions. I was working in a warehouse when Emotional Rescue was released, and it was on the radio all the time. I loathed it the first time I heard it, and ever afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeatherAnnePeel Posted October 7, 2012 Members Share Posted October 7, 2012 "Emotional Rescue", the album, remains a fave of mine. I bought it the day it was released in June 1980. I love the clean Fender/Mesa Boogie guitar tones and the production. The Stones have always been intelligent in trying new things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Muddslide Posted October 7, 2012 Members Share Posted October 7, 2012 "Emotional Rescue", the album, remains a fave of mine. I bought it the day it was released in June 1980. I love the clean Fender/Mesa Boogie guitar tones and the production. The Stones have always been intelligent in trying new things. Total agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeanoBoy Posted October 7, 2012 Members Share Posted October 7, 2012 If Ron is so good, why did the Stones become almost completely irrelevant (to me, anyways) after Mick Taylor left? Wood's lead playing is, to me, workman-like, at best. As someone who regularly bashes Ron Wood's Stones' work, I will say I was impressed with his playing on the latest live DVD, 'Some Girls'. The show was filmed and recorded pretty well though I prefer the Mick Taylor flavored 'Ladies and Gentlemen, The Rolling Stones'. Taylor's Blues playing and the band's material suit me better although they do versions of Tumblin' Dice and Love in Vain on both shows. It's Love in Vain where Taylor 'cuts' Ron Wood's head. No comparison. Jagger is pretty weird on 'Some Girls' where he appears to be enjoying himself on 'Ladies and Gentlemen'. I agree with others, Ron Woods' best work was with Jeff Beck, Rod Stewart and The Faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted October 7, 2012 Members Share Posted October 7, 2012 "Emotional Rescue", the album, remains a fave of mine. I bought it the day it was released in June 1980. I love the clean Fender/Mesa Boogie guitar tones and the production. The Stones have always been intelligent in trying new things.SEND HER TO ME is one one my favorite Stones songs. There is also a ballad on the album that Keef sings that is really nice. Can't think of the name of it. For me BLACK AND BLUE is a favorite album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted October 7, 2012 Members Share Posted October 7, 2012 somebody else seems to like Woody as well!! [video=youtube;Rb4R29_aTM4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb4R29_aTM4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Electric Catfish Posted October 7, 2012 Members Share Posted October 7, 2012 Is the decline of the Stones supposed to fall on Woods? Nothing happens in the Stones without the approval of Jagger and Richards and maybe if they did not screw Mick Taylor out of his co-writer credits he would of hung around! The Stones are my #2 band behind The Beatles and I would agree that the Woods era is my least favorite period, but they also still did a hell of a lot of good music during the 70's, 80's and 90's. As far as Woods credentials the guy is also in the R&R HOF with the Faces and could stand on that work alone as the guy is an excellent guitarist, bass and slide, lap and pedal steel player. Co-wrote - Stay With Me, Every Picture Tells a Story, Gasoline Alley, and as far as the Stones go he has a writing credit on One Hit to the Body which by the way Keith and Mick worm probably means he came in with the music and 95% of the lyrics. As far back as 73 it is pretty much well know that It's Only R&R was written by Mick and Woods though it says Jagger- Richards and inspired by Ron Woods? What the f#ck does that mean lmfao. Though it is basicaly a fact that everyone knew Marianne Faithful wrote the lyrics to Sister Morphine she is not credited, though Keith admits in his book life that when he saw the lyrics he could tell Marianne wrote them. Who knows how bad Mick Taylor got screwed as he is not shy on the subject! All in all Woods has had a great and very long career. There's only one Ron Wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goop Posted October 8, 2012 Members Share Posted October 8, 2012 For me BLACK AND BLUE is a favorite album. It's probably my favorite Stone's album. There is some very Mick Taylor-esque playing on there, such as the lead work on Hand Of Fate. I know this is a little off topic, but I've always thought that Jagger was in his vocal prime from 1975 to 1981 regardless of the song quality. I remember being bummed out when I first saw the Let's Spend the Night Together concert. I haven't liked his vocals as much from that point onward. csb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted October 8, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 8, 2012 I had that video as a kid. Even as a kid, I knew there was something wrong with Mick Jaggers' tight pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted October 9, 2012 Members Share Posted October 9, 2012 It's probably my favorite Stone's album. There is some very Mick Taylor-esque playing on there, such as the lead work on Hand Of Fate. I know this is a little off topic, but I've always thought that Jagger was in his vocal prime from 1975 to 1981 regardless of the song quality. I remember being bummed out when I first saw the Let's Spend the Night Together concert. I haven't liked his vocals as much from that point onward. csb.I used to listen to Melody and Hey Negrita over and over and over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Doctor49 Posted October 9, 2012 Members Share Posted October 9, 2012 No, the decline of the Stones doesn't fall on Woods, but nothing they did with him equaled what they did with either Jones or Taylor. There's a correlation there, which doesn't infer causality, but it is suggestive. As I've said, there's nothing I've heard Woods play that made me go 'wow' like Taylor's brilliance, or Jone's multi-instrumentalist contributions. I was working in a warehouse when Emotional Rescue was released, and it was on the radio all the time. I loathed it the first time I heard it, and ever afterwards. With Taylor they had lead and rhythm guitarists because he is a straight-up blues lead virtuoso guy.With Woody they went back to weaving two guitars. Different styles, formats and sounds......and different jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goop Posted October 9, 2012 Members Share Posted October 9, 2012 I used to listen to Melody and Hey Negrita over and over and over! I still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bad Robot Posted October 9, 2012 Members Share Posted October 9, 2012 With Taylor they had lead and rhythm guitarists because he is a straight-up blues lead virtuoso guy.With Woody they went back to weaving two guitars.Different styles, formats and sounds......and different jobs I dunno. Listening to 'Get Yer Ya-Yas Out,' Keef plays a lot of lead and there's a good bit of weaving. As for Black and Blue, the only track on that I really dug was Hand of Fate. The rest is all over the place, trying to be contemporary with disco and reggae, although I could tolerate Memory Motel occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MahaloVision Posted October 9, 2012 Members Share Posted October 9, 2012 Ronnie also played bass on Maggie May, I believe Yes, and it's a great example of how not to play bass. I never noticed it until I was asked to cover it for an audition, and thought it was complete crap. Or would be even if it was played sober. I told the band this, and they said that a couple other bass players they auditioned said the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goop Posted October 9, 2012 Members Share Posted October 9, 2012 Yes, and it's a great example of how not to play bass. I never noticed it until I was asked to cover it for an audition, and thought it was complete crap. A classic bass line that is memorable and enhances the song. But you can't play it so you say it is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bud M Posted October 9, 2012 Members Share Posted October 9, 2012 Ah yes -- the pinnacle of the Stones "Sucking in the 70s" oeuvre... I had to look it up oeu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MahaloVision Posted October 9, 2012 Members Share Posted October 9, 2012 A classic bass line that is memorable and enhances the song. But you can't play it so you say it is crap. Hardly. Even you could probably play it. It is memorable, I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes, and it's a great example of how not to play bass. I never noticed it until I was asked to cover it for an audition, and thought it was complete crap. Or would be even if it was played sober. I told the band this, and they said that a couple other bass players they auditioned said the same thing.perhaps it would have been a big hit had you been able to add your bass parts to it instead. I love the bass stuff in the song (even the "one" note) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goop Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 perhaps it would have been a big hit had you been able to add your bass parts to it instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MahaloVision Posted October 10, 2012 Members Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes, but I would have been 9 at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Electric Catfish Posted October 12, 2012 Members Share Posted October 12, 2012 perhaps it would have been a big hit had you been able to add your bass parts to it instead. I love the bass stuff in the song (even the "one" note) That whole album is badass, especially the loose, human element to it. Some folks just don't get it...I guess that's why New Age music exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MahaloVision Posted October 12, 2012 Members Share Posted October 12, 2012 I love the rest of it, and Ronnie Wood as well. Just not that particular bass line, and I'm not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Goop Posted October 12, 2012 Members Share Posted October 12, 2012 Just not that particular bass line, and I'm not alone. And a couple other bass players they auditioned said the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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