Members photon9 Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Originally Posted by fixintogo Of course not. But at three grand, ES-330s are exorbitantly expensive, so most of us get the closest thing that we can actually afford.You might turn your nose up at an ES-330 for $600, but I doubt that you're typical. After all, Epiphone upgrades the IBJL and '61 Reissue Casinos with Gibson electronics and pickups. The Elitist ones are close to 2 grand and the build quality is superb. Also they're made in Japan since CoO seems to be uber important to you. Not everyone can afford one, but Epiphone makes them because people buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fixintogo Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 since CoO seems to be uber important to you. I have no idea why you think we're having an argument, but if you're going to treat this as one, at least have the courtesy to not decide for me what I think is important. Thanks. My biggest gripe about the MIK and MIC Casinos I've owned and/or played has been the electronics: scratchy pots, and a pickup selector and jack that cut out ittermittently. I think the poly finish of the TQ I had was applied very thick, and silencing the rattles from within were a constant battle. I enjoyed the guitar, but if I could have gotten a 330 at the same price, I certainly would have. I doubt I'm alone on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rick 381 Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Originally Posted by fixintogo Of course not. But at three grand, ES-330s are exorbitantly expensive, so most of us get the closest thing that we can actually afford.You might turn your nose up at an ES-330 for $600, but I doubt that you're typical. Maybe I should mention my Casino is a Limited Edition, only 1965 made, John Lennon 1965 USA Series. Lacquer finish, switchcraft parts, Gibson p-90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bookumdano2 Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 My parents bought a new Casino for me in 1965. I'll never sell it since it was my first electric. But, it's definitely the worst guitar in my collection. It has a bland sound for studio. For live use... don't care about the Beatle clips earlier.......When I first got it, I was using stacks of Bandmaster and bassman amps. To generate the volume needed to match the others in the band, feedback was absolutely uncontrollable if I turned towards the amps. For songs that NEEDED feedback... it was perfect. But even in those days, I'd only stand towards the amp using feedback for a minute or two at a time (being those were the psychedelic days). Unuseable for most sets other than that. When I later moved to Sunn 1000s and Marshalls in 1967, it was worse. The diff of course was that hollow body compared to a 335 with the block inside. The stock bigsby was another joke with the cotter pin. I did change that to a real bigsby in 1966. Overall, the Epi is nice to hold with its thin design. The dark wood back on mine (don't know if that's still a feature) looks pretty. But alas, the Casino sits in its case for almost 45 years now. It's just not a good guitar... for me... for gigging or for studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Originally Posted by Rick 381 Maybe I should mention my Casino is a Limited Edition, only 1965 made, John Lennon 1965 USA Series. Lacquer finish, switchcraft parts, Gibson p-90s Well played . I would love to get my hands on one of those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kayd_mon Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Originally Posted by Ultradust They're wonderful guitars, and I think a lot of us have every reason to love Casinos "right now", thanks to Mr. Gary Clark Jr. Never heard this guy before, and I really liked that. Thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Presc Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Heritage makes an H-530 as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Originally Posted by fixintogo My biggest gripe... has been the electronics: scratchy pots, and a pickup selector and jack that cut out ittermittently. I think the poly finish of the TQ I had was applied very thick, and silencing the rattles from within were a constant battle. Important. Originally Posted by fixintogo ...the MIK and MIC... UnimportantJus' sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Originally Posted by kayd_mon Never heard this guy before, and I really liked that. Thanks for posting! +1Gary Clark Jr. is rsuper good. First heard of him on this forum a year or so ago. Need to grab some of his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members photon9 Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Originally Posted by fixintogo if I could have gotten a 330 at the same price, I certainly would have. I doubt I'm alone on this. You're not alone. Who wouldn't snag a $3000 guitar (or anything really) at 80% off over an item that is selling at that price normally. Only an idiot would providing they're both in good condition. It's a pretty silly point actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fixintogo Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Unimportant Again, you're picking a fight where none exists. The Casinos that I've been unhappy with happened to be imports. I have never once implied or stated that it was because they were imports that I was unhappy with them. If theire electronics worked better and their pickups sounded better and they had a thinner finish, I'd have a closet full of them. YOU seem to be the one who is "uber-concerned" with country of origin. Please stop projecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ravelleman Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Originally Posted by fixintogo My biggest gripe about the MIK and MIC Casinos I've owned and/or played has been the electronics: scratchy pots, and a pickup selector and jack that cut out ittermittently. I think the poly finish of the TQ I had was applied very thick, and silencing the rattles from within were a constant battle. I enjoyed the guitar, but if I could have gotten a 330 at the same price, I certainly would have. I doubt I'm alone on this. This isn't really a valid argument. There are Casinos at all price points so comparing a Custom Shop ES-330 with a standard Chinese Casino is seems a little silly. A direct comparison between the two will of course highlight differences in quality in some cases but if you compare the 330 to an Elitist, made in the Terada factory alongside Gretsch guitars, or something like Rick 381's JL Casino you might think again. I wouldn't say that my G&L Legacy is better than a Fender Strat simply on the basis of my experience with some Chinese Fenders so the same should apply here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fixintogo Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 You're not alone. Who wouldn't snag a $3000 guitar (or anything really) at 80% off over an item that is selling at that price normally. Only an idiot would providing they're both in good condition. It's a pretty silly point actually. My "silly point" was in response to Ric 381, who had not yet disclosed that he was talking about a two-grand Elitist when he said he would not trade his Casino for a Gibson, even with cash thrown in. I have no idea who pissed in your Corn Flakes this morning or why you seem intent on picking a fight with me over it, but you can knock it off anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fixintogo Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 nobody wants an ES-330 ... People who want a Casino want a Casino not an ES-330 Given this assertion, I stand by my response: When it comes to a fully-hollow thinline with P-90s, I would rather have an ES-330 than a Casino. Maybe not ANY Casino that you could possibly name, but in general. Why is this so controversial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members honeyiscool Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 I'm not a fan of the neck joint being where it is but it's a nice guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ravelleman Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Originally Posted by fixintogo Having owned both, I'd take the 330 any day.People who buy a Casino can't afford an ES-330. I think that this is probably the reason that people have reacted less than favourably to your posts. Not only is it not true, it seems deliberately controversial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fixintogo Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 I think that this is probably the reason that people have reacted less than favourably to your posts. Not only is it not true, it seems deliberately controversial It's only controversial to people who look at every discussion as an excuse to argue. What I posted was certainly true for me. I had a 330 back in the 70s, and stupidly sold it. When I wanted to replace it many years later, I couldn't afford one. So I got a Casino instead. But I'd still rather have the Gibson. Sorry if that hurts people's feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grungehack Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Originally Posted by fixintogo Having owned both, I'd take the 330 any day.People who buy a Casino can't afford an ES-330. Definitely true for me. Never played a 330 but love the sound of my Casino (MIK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members D Carroll Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Originally Posted by Ravelleman Oh that was bad.Nice Casino though. You have awful taste in music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GAS Man Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Besides being into one of these things, i.e. a Casino, I also picked up the Hofner CT Club a while back. And even though it's classified as a Semi-hollow, its got some characteristics that are more similar to the Casino than any of my other gits.also has German made mini-hums, but it produces a tone and feel that has some similarities to the Casino. MF dumped these a while ago for $299.xx so I had to pick one up. Got a Beatle haircut to go with it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members HanSolo Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Originally Posted by DaleH I can empathize, that was crippling on my ears. The guitar sounded fine though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bad Robot Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Lennon was known for not having his guitar set up properly. I expect any problems he was having was due to neglect, more than anything. My Casinos play like buttah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Folky_Grunge Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 Originally Posted by Bad Robot Lennon was known for not having his guitar set up properly. I expect any problems he was having was due to neglect, more than anything. My Casinos play like buttah. Yeah, I seriously doubt he hated his Casino, it was his main guitar from 1965 until the early seventies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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