Members 1001gear Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 Stick control my friend. You corps guys just wack at the drum. Percussion guys produce tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stark Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 Stick control my friend. You corps guys just wack at the drum. Percussion guys produce tone. Corps drummers are stick control embodied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thomas G Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 Stick control my friend. You corps guys just wack at the drum. Percussion guys produce tone. Not to sound like a dick, but that was one of the most ill-informed things I've ever read on this here message board. Most corps drummers have much better stick control than any of us, and that includes the ones who use relaxed moeller-based strokes in their techniques (Vanguard, Academy, Troopers, Cavaliers, etc). I'm pretty sure the ratio of people who can produce tone with their drums to those who can't is much higher with corps drummers than strictly kit players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members D Carroll Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 i use pro-marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 Not to sound like a dick, but that was one of the most ill-informed things I've ever read on this here message board. Most corps drummers have much better stick control than any of us, and that includes the ones who use relaxed moeller-based strokes in their techniques (Vanguard, Academy, Troopers, Cavaliers, etc).I'm pretty sure the ratio of people who can produce tone with their drums to those who can't is much higher with corps drummers than strictly kit players... Corps drummers can play lots of fancy figures. Even and loud. That's about 1% of the control required to play music. Which I'm inclined to believe most of 'em can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drumphil Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 wow....where i begin?????? you have to find the balance point with any stick you pick up, unless you one of those guys that holds them at the back.....not knowing any better....geeeesssssshhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drumtechdad Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 Corps drummers can play lots of fancy figures. Even and loud. That's about 1% of the control required to play music. Which I'm inclined to believe most of 'em can't. Drumline (something I never had as a kid) has done wonders for my kid's hands, speed, precision. He'd been all over Stick Control for years. Another thing it did--which I'm not so sure I approve of--is spoil his taste for light sticks. Used to use 5Bs on the kit, but once he'd had a year with corpsmasters he said it felt like they were "flying out of his hands." So now he plays 747B oaks, which I can barely lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 First for drumphil, here watch this guy for a couple minutes. [YOUTUBE]edLhkzAynY4[/YOUTUBE] Drumline (something I never had as a kid) has done wonders for my kid's hands, speed, precision. He'd been all over Stick Control for years. Another thing it did--which I'm not so sure I approve of--is spoil his taste for light sticks. Used to use 5Bs on the kit, but once he'd had a year with corpsmasters he said it felt like they were "flying out of his hands." So now he plays 747B oaks, which I can barely lift. Sure chops is good. Just saying the corps guys take on stick control is based on not going more than a second without doubles and sticking flams in there to boot. On the other hand, I like the heavy sticks. I went through 747Bs to VF Rock Crusher. And now, field sticks. And yes I can play at unplugged jazz dynamics with Ralphies. It has everything to do with to do with stick control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thomas G Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 Drumline (something I never had as a kid) has done wonders for my kid's hands, speed, precision. He'd been all over Stick Control for years. Another thing it did--which I'm not so sure I approve of--is spoil his taste for light sticks. Used to use 5Bs on the kit, but once he'd had a year with corpsmasters he said it felt like they were "flying out of his hands." So now he plays 747B oaks, which I can barely lift. haha. The same has happened for me. I have a real hard time playing 7A's because I can't quite get the sound out of the drums that I like, even for jazz. The lightest stick I play is the Peter Erskine "Ride Stick", which I think is somewhat on the heavier side for a jazz stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stark Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 Drumline (something I never had as a kid) has done wonders for my kid's hands, speed, precision. He'd been all over Stick Control for years. Another thing it did--which I'm not so sure I approve of--is spoil his taste for light sticks. Used to use 5Bs on the kit, but once he'd had a year with corpsmasters he said it felt like they were "flying out of his hands." So now he plays 747B oaks, which I can barely lift. I feel crippled when I play with my friends sticks. 747B oaks even feel uncomfortably light for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stark Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 One thing I will say in my own words is that I've always seen a lot of stereotyping similar to what 1001gear is saying when the topic of marching percussion comes up. I find it strange because all the drumline kids I knew who didn't play on a kit generally had nothing but respect for drum set players; the feeling usually wasn't mutual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Sure MP is an accomplishment. Granted many drummers would adopt a brattier posture - something on the order of It Sucks - but I don't think it deserves any credit for its aesthetic failures. Mass outdoor spectacle IOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 I use those. never saw no flags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stark Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Sure MP is an accomplishment. Granted many drummers would adopt a brattier posture - something on the order of It Sucks - but I don't think it deserves any credit for its aesthetic failures. Mass outdoor spectacle IOW. Valid points addressed = 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members 1001gear Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Lemme say that true musical talent will prevail no matter the genre or beginnings. Many colleges require all majors to march so I'm not saying they're all hopeless jocks. I do believe drumline will prepare you for tasteless applications of diddly funk and metal and indeed many of the hotties go that way - where those inanely figured passages have some cover. No doubt exceptions abound, Dendy Jarrett for one - but staying on track, he wouldn't be working if all he played was DC stuff. Anyway all I was barking about was that the greater body of music requires far more than simply dead on drills and that I find RH nylons to be very good sticks. ANYwhooz, when you guys get done with snare drum, may I recommend classical harmony and symphonic xylophone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drumphil Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Sure chops is good. Just saying the corps guys take on stick control is based on not going more than a second without doubles and sticking flams in there to boot. On the other hand, I like the heavy sticks. I went through 747Bs to VF Rock Crusher. And now, field sticks. And yes I can play at unplugged jazz dynamics with Ralphies. It has everything to do with to do with stick control. ok....carter is an exception....what is he holding onto??? there is no stick left in his hand!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thomas G Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Lemme say that true musical talent will prevail no matter the genre or beginnings. Many colleges require all majors to march so I'm not saying they're all hopeless jocks. I do believe drumline will prepare you for tasteless applications of diddly funk and metal and indeed many of the hotties go that way - where those inanely figured passages have some cover. No doubt exceptions abound, Dendy Jarrett for one - but staying on track, he wouldn't be working if all he played was DC stuff. Anyway all I was barking about was that the greater body of music requires far more than simply dead on drills and that I find RH nylons to be very good sticks. ANYwhooz, when you guys get done with snare drum, may I recommend classical harmony and symphonic xylophone. Marching percussion requires a lot more than just "dead on drills". There is a HUGE necessity for groove and finesse, especially once you get to higher level drumlines. I don't understand why you believe it only prepares you for "tasteless applications of diddly funk and metal" when it does so much more than that. Some of the best jazz drummers I've ever met were hardcore into marching. And just because I play snare, it doesn't mean that I don't have a lot of experience with concert and symphonic percussion. You are making huge generalizations that are entirely based on nothing. It seems to me like you judge all marching guys from the movie Drumline with Nick Cannon, when drumlines like that (although they do exist) are in the VAST minority of what actually happens with most drumlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stark Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Marching percussion requires a lot more than just "dead on drills". There is a HUGE necessity for groove and finesse, especially once you get to higher level drumlines. I don't understand why you believe it only prepares you for "tasteless applications of diddly funk and metal" when it does so much more than that. Some of the best jazz drummers I've ever met were hardcore into marching. And just because I play snare, it doesn't mean that I don't have a lot of experience with concert and symphonic percussion. You are making huge generalizations that are entirely based on nothing. It seems to me like you judge all marching guys from the movie Drumline with Nick Cannon, when drumlines like that (although they do exist) are in the VAST minority of what actually happens with most drumlines. . I would like to chime in and say that I played a few four-mallet pieces pretty well back in my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aenemated Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 god, i wish i didn't hate dave matthews band so much so i could listen to carter more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Stark Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Who does this guy think he is, Matt Greiner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 god, i wish i didn't hate dave matthews band so much so i could listen to carter more. Best quote ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted September 25, 2009 Members Share Posted September 25, 2009 god, i wish i didn't hate dave matthews band so much so i could listen to carter more. Read my mind. Didn't want to start another skirmish.lolz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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