Members MikeyParent Posted April 20, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 I love when people play the "it's just the Internet" card to forego all sense and manners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 I am all for honest feedback. But my point is honest doesn't have to mean rude. For some reason people forget there are actually *people* on the other side of their screen... what the {censored} happened to common civility.True dat. My "internet personality" is my "real life" personality. Maybe it's the same for him? A lot of people come off rude/opinionated in person, when in fact that's just their personality, idk....I'm no psychiatrist or anything, lol. But I do agree, sometimes people forget there is another real person on the other side of the screen. I'm done, I originally saw Robby was mentioned so I had throw my 2 cents in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MikeyParent Posted April 20, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 True dat. My "internet personality" is my "real life" personality. Maybe it's the same for him? Same here but some people here really bring out my "cranky old man". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg_L Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 I love when people who play the "it's just the Internet" card to forego all sense and manners. That wasn't very civil. I'm like that in real life too though, so I'm just being consistent and true to myself. This is just the internet, a virtual anonymous playground consisting of words on a screen and nothing more, so none of it matters to me. I have to wonder why anyone would want to make it more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MikeyParent Posted April 20, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Then why participate at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 I'm awesome in real life. Just like here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg_L Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Then why participate at all? Good question. I don't have an answer. I guess on some level I just like being able to say whatever's on my mind and then just turn everyone off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg_L Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 I'm awesome in real life. Just like here. Awesome people don't need as much help as you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MikeyParent Posted April 20, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 That wasn't very civil.I'm like that in real life too though, so I'm just being consistent and true to myself. This is just the internet, a virtual anonymous playground consisting of words on a screen and nothing more, so none of it matters to me. I have to wonder why anyone would want to make it more than that. See people like you perpetuate the problem. It is *not* just words on a screen... any more than the phone system is just sound waves emanating from a phone receiver. Again, what happened to common courtesy and civility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MikeyParent Posted April 20, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Good question. I don't have an answer. I guess on some level I just like being able to say whatever's on my mind and then just turn everyone off. Well I appreciate the honest insight but Twitter seems like a more appropriate venue for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg_L Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 See people like you perpetuate the problem. It is *not* just words on a screen... any more than the phone system is just sound waves emanating from a phone receiver. Again, what happened to common courtesy and civility.Different strokes bro. It's not just words on a screen to you. You get some deeper meaning and personal satisfaction from interacting with anonymous users of the internet. Cool. More power to ya, dude. I'm not like that. Don't hold it against me, or do, I don't care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg_L Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well I appreciate the honest insight but Twitter seems like a more appropriate venue for that... True, but I draw the "social networking" line at public message boards and my dumb Reverbnation page. I don't do myspace, facebook, or twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MikeyParent Posted April 20, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Different strokes bro. It's not just words on a screen to you. You get some deeper meaning and personal satisfaction from interacting with anonymous users of the internet LOL It's not that. Trust me. The "anonymous users" you speak of are still real people with feelings... I just don't understand why anyone would think that some basic standard level of courtesy/respectfulness would not still apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg_L Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 LOL It's not that. Trust me. The "anonymous users" you speak of are still real people with feelings... I just don't understand why anyone would think that some basic standard level of courtesy/respectfulness would not still apply. Because I don't believe that internet users are real people with real feelings. People regularly use the internet to shed inhibitions and act out personality fantasies that they can't pull off in real life. People regularly say things to eachother that they probably wouldn't in a face-to-face scenario. That type of internet behavior is way more common than people "being real". Therefore, I don't feel most internet users are worthy of respect or courtesy simply because they're breathing, and I don't mind if someone feels that way about me. It's a {censored}ed up viewpoint, I know, but this isn't my first internet rodeo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well this isn't my first intervention. They sent me to rehab a few years ago. I don't like interventions. No, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jvardon Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well, u know, I give some strong feedback for sure & I certainly don't sugarcoat any of my feedback. That's the problem Duke. You don't sugar coat and you definitely shouldn't but some of your feedback is bit a cruel for the recipient and crude sounding for observers. I sometimes feel like you have nothing better to do than tear people down. I do usually see your message in your comments but while you don't coat with sugar, you coat with melee weapons. I'm just saying that you should tone down your language a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg_L Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 I'm pretty experienced at getting and giving feedback. You have to always consider the source. If Duke's stuff is good and he performs/records it well, you're gonna have to take it as it comes. If his stuff is garbage and he still talks a big game, just tell him to STFU. For example, I get people all the time say "I don't like your snare" or "I don't like your guitar tone". Then I listen to their stuff and it sounds like ass. I just shrug it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jvardon Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 I would tell him to do just that but his music is not close to anything I listen to, so I don't really have any right to say whether it's good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg_L Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 I would tell him to do just that but his music is not close to anything I listen to, so I don't really have any right to say whether it's good or bad. Sure, it just depends on what the feedback is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rodclement Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Duke can be an asshole but Robby is just a Dick that thiks his {censored} don't stink! How is that for a post! At least Duke participates in the community, like it or not, in his own way.Robby is just a frustrated musician that doesn't make it in the real world so he wants internet accolades on how awesome he is, he can kiss my ass!I think Duke knows that he is a dick and does it mostly to start {censored} like this, discussions about him! Some serious therapy needed but very entertaining! I mean...sendding JV porn all the way to Africa is somewhat genious and a lot crazy! I like having access to this dude's mind even if via the filters of the internet!Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 I mean...sendding JV porn all the way to Africa is somewhat genious and a lot crazy!Rod hahahaha, i wish i could have seen vardon's face!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted April 20, 2011 Members Share Posted April 20, 2011 Duke can be an asshole but Robby is just a Dick that thiks his {censored} don't stink! How is that for a post! At least Duke participates in the community, like it or not, in his own way. Robby is just a frustrated musician that doesn't make it in the real world so he wants internet accolades on how awesome he is, he can kiss my ass! ^^ this. This is how I shouldve worded my original post! +1(00000000) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GJaunz Posted April 21, 2011 Members Share Posted April 21, 2011 I usually avoid disputes on message boards with a ten foot pole (I typically just don't care), but I was annoyed to see that MikeyParent is getting a lot of crap for this thread. Though it started off a tad verbose, I think what he is saying needed to be said. To Duke, I would suggest that you take a look at the feedback you got in response to your post with your recording of Deep Down South and compare it with the feedback you leave. It would have been very easy to say some very harsh things about that performance, yet people were incredibly gentle with you in their critique of your singing on that recording. On the other hand, you seem to relish in trying to find the harshest way to express your opinion of other people's singing. To be honest, this is the first I've heard your voice, and given the amount of authority you speak with on the topic of singing, I was surprised to hear how much work you need on even more fundamental aspects of singing. In conclusion, Duke, I don't believe that you have to be an expert singer to have an opinion, so I have no problem with you expressing your opinion (that's what forums are for), but there is more than one way to express that opinion, and you should really work on keeping it constructive and at least marginally polite. You can find some great examples of constructive criticism in the way people responded to Deep Down South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted April 21, 2011 Members Share Posted April 21, 2011 To Duke, I would suggest that you take a look at the feedback you got in response to your post with your recording of Deep Down South and compare it with the feedback you leave. It would have been very easy to say some very harsh things about that performance, yet people were incredibly gentle with you in their critique of your singing on that recording. On the other hand, you seem to relish in trying to find the harshest way to express your opinion of other people's singing. To be honest, this is the first I've heard your voice, and given the amount of authority you speak with on the topic of singing, I was surprised to hear how much work you need on even more fundamental aspects of singing. Pretty much all YOU do on here is post youtube videos of you giving 3min singing lessons, and promoting your own stuff for download on itunes - really!. I don't see you interact much, but I do see quite a long self-promotion signature you got goin on. If I say something sucks - which i often do - i offer solutions. That's what sets me apart for rockinrobby and others: robby's gone on the record multiple times leaving the following for feedback (paraphrased): "sounds like something is there, or something might NOT be there, but it's terrible recording so I can't tell, it just sounds really bad to me right now" (even on recordings that are fine for a net demo). On my New Orleans song, basically, static and davie said I should work on a clean tone to iron out the basics, and then Mikey said the pitchiness worked (which I don't agree with at all). Critique away my friend. I didn't see you leave anything on that, yet all of a sudden you say my fundamentals are all {censored}ed up, but offer no guidance. What fundamentals? Don't just tell me my fundamentals are messed and then leave it that! That's the rockinroby Modus Operandi. I never said i'm an authority on matters. if anything i make more {censored}ups than anyone, and i'm continually stuck in "{censored} up zone." However, what i do bring to the table is I'm not afraid of {censored}ing up, and plowing through it. that's pretty much my advice to people: "don't be afraid of hurting your voice every now and again, because you're gonna get better the next day." but yeah, i suck at vocals. I'm a pretty good guitarist, but guitar is boring to me now, and I'm interested in singing and writing awesome lyrics and songs. i've been singing 9 months, & 9 months ago i sucked so, so, so bad. I envy the {censored}ers out there who pitch & good tone comes naturally to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg_L Posted April 21, 2011 Members Share Posted April 21, 2011 Hey duke, where can I hear your suckiness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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