Members seraphim7s Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 I mean that warm 'river of bass' you hear when you slide down the E string, and it just fills in the sound perfectly, setting up all the other instruments. I'm asking because I've only really experienced it with 15" speakers, but I dislike the boominess and slowness of response of the big fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members james on bass Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Absolutely with a good 4x10, definitely with an 8x10 or a 6x10 or 2 4x10's... you get the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members james on bass Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Someone mentioned it the other day and I fully agree, that the bass sounds a lot better through many smaller speakers than it does through 1 or 2 larger speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seraphim7s Posted February 17, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 What do y'all reckon to these 'lower frequency' 10" cabs you can get now? I haven't had a chance to try any out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Ampeg PR410HLF It's about the only commonly found low freq 4x10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayer7770 Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by burdizzos Ampeg PR410HLF It's about the only commonly found low freq 4x10. I'm sure it sounds good, but...128 pounds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ace Of Bass Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by burdizzos Ampeg PR410HLF It's about the only commonly found low freq 4x10. -10db@29hz is good?Wow.you can get 10" subs that are rated -3dB@23hz.Usually for cars, but if you put some of those subs in an appropriate cabinate and bi amp with a normal 4X10, you could absolutely kick low-end ass. Okay, won't save you any money, but you'll have a much flatter freq response. I wouldn't want my b string to be -10dB. that's why i use 15"s, but I'll admit that it lacks the punch and clarity at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by bassplayer7770 I'm sure it sounds good, but...128 pounds... And it's power hungry from what I hear. I'd much rather have an Acme B4, but not too many people can actually try one of those out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by Ace Of Bass -10db@29hz is good?Wow.you can get 10" subs that are rated -3dB@23hz.Usually for cars, but if you put some of those subs in an appropriate cabinate and bi amp with a normal 4X10, you could absolutely kick low-end ass. Okay, won't save you any money, but you'll have a much flatter freq response. I wouldn't want my b string to be -10dB. that's why i use 15"s, but I'll admit that it lacks the punch and clarity at times. How many commercially offered 15" cabs are rated at -3dB at 30 Hz? There are 8" subs available that will play flat down to 20 Hz, but they have a sensitivity of about 82 dB. This means that you either need a whole bunch of them or a lot of power or both to get them to play loud enough. The compromise made with bass cabs is between sensitivity and response. A cab that won't play below 100 Hz is as worthless as a cab that requires 5000 watts to achieve 115 dB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members coyote-1 Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 That's why the 4x10 + 1x15 stack is such a great combo. You get some of that low rumble while retaining the punch and clarity. Originally posted by Ace Of Bass that's why i use 15"s, but I'll admit that it lacks the punch and clarity at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mike fitzwell Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by james on bass Someone mentioned it the other day and I fully agree, that the bass sounds a lot better through many smaller speakers than it does through 1 or 2 larger speakers. Agreed. For the sound I'm after an array of smaller speakers gets me there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bassius Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 i played a concert last night in a theatre with about 700 seats with my portabass 2x10. granted there was a PA but the stage volume was all ampeg. no bass in monitor. it sounded great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members F-holes Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by bassplayer7770 I'm sure it sounds good, but...128 pounds... We've always called heavy cabs,''Widow makers". I used to prefer using 15''s. It seems like the smaller speakers respond better. Faster passages feel slighter more articulate with the 4/10'' cabinets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SA Rios Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by Bassius i played a concert last night in a theatre with about 700 seats with my portabass 2x10. granted there was a PA but the stage volume was all ampeg. no bass in monitor. it sounded great. +1 No matter what the size of the venue, as long as it has a PA and monitors (which is 90% of our shows) a 2x10 is all that is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 17, 2006 CMS Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by burdizzos And it's power hungry from what I hear.I'd much rather have an Acme B4, but not too many people can actually try one of those out. I've got a PR- and feed it a steady diet of SVT-CL, which is about half of its rated 600w max rating. It pretty much owns any room it's in. If I need louder, I certainly don't want it all coming from the stage so I'll either mic or DI into the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fealach Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 If I had to pick 1 size speaker only it would be 15s, but my '69 SVT cab was pretty darn room filling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 17, 2006 CMS Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 The bottom line IMO is that the measurement of the cone has little to nothing to do with the capability of a speaker. Phil Jones uses 4" drivers en-masse with amazing results. The Ampeg PR-410HLF is further proof that small drivers can go deep with clarity. There are also examples of tight punchy 15's, even 18's. It's all a matter of the parameters the driver designer juggles when creating a speaker. Consider how many drivers Eminence offers, and then how many more they custom-build as OEM drivers for a great many speaker companies (including Ampeg). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Duck Blues Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by seraphim7s I mean that warm 'river of bass' you hear when you slide down the E string, and it just fills in the sound perfectly, setting up all the other instruments.I'm asking because I've only really experienced it with 15" speakers, but I dislike the boominess and slowness of response of the big fellas. I can with my Yorkville Xm200 wich is a 2x10 set up Very warm sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 My two Peavey 4X10's will shake your house off it's foundation. Each has easily as much bottom as my Acoustic 2X15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Duck Blues Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by lug My two Peavey 4X10's will shake your house off it's foundation. Each has easily as much bottom as my Acoustic 2X15. Dang I can just imagine the suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldivor Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by james on bass Someone mentioned it the other day and I fully agree, that the bass sounds a lot better through many smaller speakers than it does through 1 or 2 larger speakers. To me nothing sounds like a good 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted February 17, 2006 CMS Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by Duck Blues Dang I can just imagine the suck No, no you can't imagine...... :eek: :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yools Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by burdizzos Ampeg PR410HLF It's about the only commonly found low freq 4x10. I used to use one of these... Eden 410XLT They are supposedly tuned to handle a low B string's frequency. I played a 5-string tuned down a whole step; had no trouble reproducing the lows. -Yools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Originally posted by burdizzos Ampeg PR410HLF It's about the only commonly found low freq 4x10. The Peavey's are -10 db at 30hz, and Peavey don't exagerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bbl Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Did someone say "fill the room with deep bass with a 4x10?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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