Members allan grossman Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 Now that I've lured you in here... Should children be denied healthcare, an education or assistance with food or clothing because their parents choose to remain unemployed or to enter the country illegally? Why or why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members basshunter Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 LOADED QUESTION, LOADED QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Children should not be penalized for their parents actions. That said, I won't say what I think shoud be done with the parents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members citizenralph Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 I'd say if they are citizens of the US then we should take care of them. If they are not citizens we should take care of their immediate needs and then arrange for their return to their own country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikgag Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 *puts down 10 foot pole* *runs away* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members justinbass Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 wrong forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jugghaid Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 2 different questions IMO. If their parents enter the country illegally, they should be deported and the kids should go with them. If their parents are unemployed and on welfare, then the kids already have government assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allan grossman Posted July 11, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 wrong forum. You the forum police today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allan grossman Posted July 11, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 2 different questions IMO.If their parents enter the country illegally, they should be deported and the kids should go with them.If their parents are unemployed and on welfare, then the kids already have government assistance. What if the kid's a citizen but the parents aren't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jugghaid Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 What if the kid's a citizen but the parents aren't? IMO I hate that law. If someone comes here illegally and has a kid, the kid should not automatically be a citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2manband Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 What if the kid's a citizen but the parents aren't? I'm pretty sure that we should execute about 90% of the people who aren't good looking chicks, or me. That solves most problems I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 People make bad choices in life and, many times, others suffer because of those bad choices. Children are the direct responsibility of the parent, not the state and when parent's make bad choices, their children often pay the price. Sucks but that's the way life works. The only other thing to do is to remove the kids from the parent's care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jugghaid Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 However, since that IS the law, I think the parents should still be deported and they can either take the kid with them or give the kid up for adoption. Guess which one they would choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allan grossman Posted July 11, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 I'm pretty sure that we should execute about 90% of the people who aren't good looking chicks, or me. That solves most problems I can think of. If you'd consider adding me to that list I'd vote for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 You the forum police today? No, he isn't but I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 While we are at it can we make some world population control laws ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 No, he isn't but I am. Give it a few minutes and Jazzy will have this bad boy merged with TK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 Give it a few minutes and Jazzy will have this bad boy merged with TK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members justinbass Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 You the forum police today? yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassman1956 Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 Illegals are criminals , mostly by some choice of their own, and therefore, do not deserve the benefits of the system they are stealing from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members walkerci Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 Now that I've lured you in here...Should children be denied healthcare, an education or assistance with food or clothing because their parents choose to remain unemployed or to enter the country illegally? Why or why not? Should would be parents that cannot provide for all of their children's needs be permitted to have children? Should those of us who are responsible parents, fully support our children, and pay huge tax bills already, be compelled to pay even more taxes to subsidize other peoples irresponsible behavior? When you reward a behavior you get more of it.That pretty much sums up what is wrong with many "social" programs. I would argue that it is the job of churchs and private charities to help out the poor, not the taxpayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allan grossman Posted July 11, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 yes. Looks like t-broom might take exception to that assertion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members allan grossman Posted July 11, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 I would argue that it is the job of churchs and private charities to help out the poor, not the taxpayer. Maybe so - but we're still in the weeds here. If we assume the kid is legal and already in the country do we penalize him for a parent's choices? And yeah, I know it's a loaded question - kinda like one of those 'when did you stop beating your wife' kinda things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hi.flyer Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 Should would be parents that cannot provide for all of their children's needs be permitted to have children?... Mandatory abortions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jugghaid Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 What's this got to do with anything? What I asked was whether children should be penalized for their parents' choices. should they? no. Are they and will they always be? Yes. That is the nature of things. I'm not sure I consider a kid getting sick or going to bed hungry irresponsible. Your thoughts? Sick, probably not. hungry? absolutely. It is a parents job to provide food and shelter for their child. If they aren't doing that they are irresponsible. Maybe so - but we're still in the weeds here. If we assume the kid is legal and already in the country do we penalize him for a parent's choices? no. we penalize the parents by removing the kid and placing him/her in a better situation where they ar least get 3 hots and a cot. And yeah, I know it's a loaded question - kinda like one of those 'when did you stop beating your wife' kinda things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members basshunter Posted July 11, 2007 Members Share Posted July 11, 2007 no. we penalize the parents by removing the kid and placing him/her in a better situation where they ar least get 3 hots and a cot. Goes back to my original post. I don't think we should penalize a kid for a parent's poor decisions. Children are not capable of being responsible for their own welfare and well-being. Nor are they responsible for their own existence. No child deserves to be left to die of illness and hunger, regardless of the situations that got them to that point. I believe that society should come to the aid of these children, the old "It takes a village to raise a child" proverb. I'm NOT saying that the current system is correct however. I don't have the final answer, but we should not be "rewarding" the parents' poor decisions, encouraging them to continue to make them. At the same time, the children cannot be neglected, and you cannot blame them for their parents illegal or irresponsible actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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