Members LoC Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 And don;t know about y'all, but I know that when I start trying to play wicked fast my hands start to lag. I know it takes practice and time to increase speed and accuracy but I seem to have hit a wall. My left (fretting) hand has a lot of trouble jumping strings from thickest to thinnest without a pause. As well, my right (finger plucking) hand experiences drag when moving from string to string from thickest to thinnest. I basically cannot move any faster and its getting extremely frustrating because my hands quite literally can not keep up with what I want to do. Also, I noticed that plucking way down near the bridge allows me to alleviate some of the lag because the strings are stiffer but I still am annoyed that I can not move at more extreme speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Try adjusting the way you hold the bass. Is it too high or low for your comfort level? Also, try playing some with just your fretting hand and add in the fingering hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 scales and arpegios as fast as you can and practice doing them over and over.learn how do do sweeps on your bass you will get real fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Super Bass Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 I know it takes practice and time to increase speed and accuracy but I seem to have hit a wall. I think you may have answered your own question. You need to work at your fingering technique (left and right hands) at slower speeds so you have it down when you want to go faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rummy Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Do you use a metronome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Optimus Prime Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Try one of those Gripmaster things. Get one for strength and one for speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ryan7585 Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 I think you may have answered your own question. You need to work at your fingering technique (left and right hands) at slower speeds so you have it down when you want to go faster. yep. people don't seem to realize it, but in order to go fast well, you have to go slow well first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fran da Man Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Try one of those Gripmaster things. Get one for strength and one for speed.You can't be serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Super Bass Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 You can't be serious? I have one of them, the only thing I used it for was to get my hand back up to regular strength when I hurt it in an accident. I don't think it serves any purpose in improving playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcrow Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 tackle one area firstfretting comes after plucking imhoplucking will ground you in rhythmfretting in melody and riffs scales and arpeggii...they have worked for centuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoC Posted November 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 When you speak of sweeps what exactly do you mean because I do sweep but maybe we mean different things. As for a metronome, yes I just started practicing with one...though i loath its presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 You can't be serious? it is good for pinky strength:thu: pinky strength also helps the pinky to be more coordinated which in turn will help increase your speed. So, Ya they will help to a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mytola Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 it is good for pinky strength:thu: pinky strength also helps the pinky to be more coordinated which in turn will help increase your speed. So, Ya they will help to a degree. Just playing more with your pinky is a lot better, IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Just playing more with your pinky is a lot better, IMO... Ya I agree however this will help someone just starting or someone who has developed a bad habbit of not using their pinky. if you have good pinky strength you are more prone to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fran da Man Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 The first 2 videos of this link shows you the idea.You have to seperate the technique in 2 parts; one for left hand and one for right hand...combined it's called sweeping.In the first one notice his plucking hand/fingers, he uses them like a pick strumming or sweeping for the right hand. Towards the end where it don't have the uumph of a deep bass sound..is due to the angle at which he's attacking the strings...he's almost plucking along the string lenght, instead of across the strings.Second one the guy is using a pick.The left hand in both videos are an essential part of the overall sweeping technique.The same as "slap bass" or "thumping" as some peole call it, has 2 distinct parts, one is the thumb hitting the string down onto the fretboard, the second part is the other finger(s) index or ring finger pulling up on the string and letting hit down onto the fretboard...combined it's called Slapping. http://youtube.com/results?search_query=sweeping+bass+lessons+&search=Search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fran da Man Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 it is good for pinky strength:thu: pinky strength also helps the pinky to be more coordinated which in turn will help increase your speed. So, Ya they will help to a degree.I guess you can make your fingers stronger for pressing the grip master, but it doesn't translate to the movement imposed on an actual fretboard.I'd use one only for what Superbass said..to heal an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoC Posted November 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Thanks for the link but I'm almost positive the people I watch, Cliff Burton, Robert Trujillo, not sure in Victor does it or not, do not do that. I listen/watch cliff on anesthesia or intro to Bells and he's fingers just move that god damn fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fran da Man Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Thanks for the link but I'm almost positive the people I watch, Cliff Burton, Robert Trujillo, not sure in Victor does it or not, do not do that. I listen/watch cliff on anesthesia or intro to Bells and he's fingers just move that god damn fast.That is called "Tapping" and a different technique altogether.Or you may be seeing a what's called "Ten Finger" technique. EDIT: the sweeping and ten finger techniques are taken from Classical Guitar and Flamenco styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fran da Man Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 You want speed? 2 words "The Buddha"...Bill Dickens. Don't give up on watching this video, it's not much till halfway or so. Over to the left scroll screen watch his "Buddha Rope" lesson. And there are no shortcuts to get there...hours upon hours upon hours of practice...when you're sick and tired of that damn bass...guess what? pick that piece of {censored}in thing that belongs in the thrash up...and practice some more. There is no easy way out...sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TCEDDIA Posted November 26, 2007 Members Share Posted November 26, 2007 scales and arpegios as fast as you can and practice doing them over and over.learn how do do sweeps on your bass you will get real fast. What are sweeps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoC Posted November 26, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 26, 2007 That is called "Tapping" and a different technique altogether.Or you may be seeing a what's called "Ten Finger" technique.EDIT: the sweeping and ten finger techniques are taken from Classical Guitar and Flamenco styles. I know it is not tapping because it does not sound like it nor can i see it when i watch it. Check it out: This one is exactly what I am talking about.http://youtube.com/watch?v=yUL8dEroAY4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=ABhT2-WTQCo I think he uses some soret of sweep technique here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members REMUS Posted November 26, 2007 Members Share Posted November 26, 2007 Get's a wee bit stupid at the end, but I found the build up very relaxing UCvxmIOMHl8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fran da Man Posted November 26, 2007 Members Share Posted November 26, 2007 LoC, i apologise man...i posted stuff light years beyond what Cliff could do.Believe it or not all he actually does in that top clip with him opening the song...is hammer-ons and pull offs. Yes he's good and pretty fast...theres a trick to what he's doing and one of these is all you need (plus a wall of cabs)http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1855&brandID=4 He has it sounding more or less like an overdriven guitar, that pedal i posted up there will get that exact sound. I have one...and with it i can shred like a guitar player...without blazing speed. The overdrive + distortion + pitch shift will have a bass sounding like a Strat. You wouldn't believe what you can presently do on a clean sounding bass just by effects it can have sounding like you're doing twice as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted November 26, 2007 Members Share Posted November 26, 2007 tackle one area firstfretting comes after plucking imhoplucking will ground you in rhythmfretting in melody and riffsscales and arpeggii...they have worked for centuries I learned fretting first. There was even a music instruction book called Fretting First back when I started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoC Posted November 26, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 26, 2007 I know a lot of those players you mentioned are better than Cliff technically but it is the way he plays with his fingers that I want to replicate because of the sound you et from finger plucking and I just think it looks cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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