Members b_ryceeeee Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 so i have the book "harmony and theory a comprehensive source for all musicians" and i'm on the interval chapter and im a little confused on the exercise when you have tell if the interval is diminished or augmented . if anyone as this book i would greatly appreciate the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 so i have the book "harmony and theory a comprehensive source for all musicians" and i'm on the interval chapter and im a little confused on the exercise when you have tell if the interval is diminished or augmented . if anyone as this book i would greatly appreciate the help. Don't have the book, sorry. Give some more specifics about the exercise and probably someone can help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jasper383 Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 You don't have diminished or augmented intervals. An interval is the distance between two notes; a major third, a minor seventh, etc. Hit two notes on the piano, you just made an interval. Augmented and diminished are most simply flavors of three note chords. Hit any three notes on the piano, you just made a chord. An augmented chord is most simply made by taking a note, adding the major third above it, then the major third above the second note. Ex: C, E, G# is a C augmented chord. Aug chords, to me at least, sound "wide open" or "bright." A diminished chord is made by taking a note, adding the minor third above it, then the minor third above the second note. Ex: C, E flat, G flat is a C diminished chord. They sound "sad" and "compressed" to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brother Mango Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 so i have the book "harmony and theory a comprehensive source for all musicians" and i'm on the interval chapter and im a little confused on the exercise when you have tell if the interval is diminished or augmented . if anyone as this book i would greatly appreciate the help. augmented is raised a 1/2 step. diminished is lowered a 1/2 step. What's the exercise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 You don't have diminished or augmented intervals. An interval is the distance between two notes; a major third, a minor seventh, etc. Hit two notes on the piano, you just made an interval. Augmented and diminished are most simply flavors of three note chords. Hit any three notes on the piano, you just made a chord. An augmented chord is most simply made by taking a note, adding the major third above it, then the major third above the second note. Ex: C, E, G# is a C augmented chord. Aug chords, to me at least, sound "wide open" or "bright."A diminished chord is made by taking a note, adding the minor third above it, then the minor third above the second note. Ex: C, E flat, G flat is a C diminished chord. They sound "sad" and "compressed" to my ears. There are augmented and diminished intervals: 0 Perfect Unison Diminished second1 Minor second Augmented unison2 Major second Diminished third3 Minor third Augmented second4 Major third Diminished fourth5 Perfect fourth Augmented third6 Tritone Augmented fourthDiminished fifth7 Perfect fifth Diminished sixth8 Minor sixth Augmented fifth9 Major sixth Diminished seventh10 Minor seventh Augmented sixth11 Major seventh Diminished octave12 Perfect octave Augmented seventh The most commonly seen diminished interval is the blue note, otherwise known as the flatted fifth - EG in the key of C: C, Gb. Note that the augmented 4th is enharmonically equivalent (same note): C, F#. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jasper383 Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 There are augmented and diminished intervals:0 Perfect Unison Diminished second1 Minor second Augmented unison2 Major second Diminished third3 Minor third Augmented second4 Major third Diminished fourth5 Perfect fourth Augmented third6 Tritone Augmented fourthDiminished fifth7 Perfect fifth Diminished sixth8 Minor sixth Augmented fifth9 Major sixth Diminished seventh10 Minor seventh Augmented sixth11 Major seventh Diminished octave12 Perfect octave Augmented seventhThe most commonly seen diminished interval is the blue note, otherwise known as the flatted fifth - EG in the key of C: C, Gb.Note that the augmented 4th is enharmonically equivalent (same note): C, F#. Ah, yes. Thank you. You bring me back to my college music days. Those are pretty rarely used, though. You are far more likely to see something referred to as a "minor second", rather than an "augmented unison." I am probably confusing b_ryceeeee terribly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 Ah, yes. Thank you. You bring me back to my college music days. Those are pretty rarely used, though. You are far more likely to see something referred to as a "minor second", rather than an "augmented unison." I am probably confusing b_ryceeeee terribly. Yeah, me too. I should study some harmony - I've got more of a performer's mindset when it comes to theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members b_ryceeeee Posted October 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 in the book it is exercise 3 under building ascending intervals and it basically gives you treble clef and bass clef and they pretty much give you the first note and tell you to indicate the interval above the notes. im stuck on one that's on bass clef and the the note given is Eb and it wants me to indicate a diminished 5th above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 in the book it is exercise 3 under building ascending intervals and it basically gives you treble clef and bass clef and they pretty much give you the first note and tell you to indicate the interval above the notes. im stuck on one that's on bass clef and the the note given is Eb and it wants me to indicate a diminished 5th above it. First - find the fifth above Eb, then flat it. Remember your major scale intervals - repeat these until you know em cold (w = whole step, h = half step) w, w, h, w, w, w, h Now analyze other ways of looking at this interval - how many semi-tones are there between Eb and the diminished fifth? (Hint: the answer is in this thread already) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 There are augmented and diminished intervals: 0 Perfect Unison Diminished second 1 Minor second Augmented unison 2 Major second Diminished third 3 Minor third Augmented second 4 Major third Diminished fourth 5 Perfect fourth Augmented third 6 Tritone Augmented fourth Diminished fifth 7 Perfect fifth Diminished sixth 8 Minor sixth Augmented fifth 9 Major sixth Diminished seventh 10 Minor seventh Augmented sixth 11 Major seventh Diminished octave 12 Perfect octave Augmented seventh The most commonly seen diminished interval is the blue note, otherwise known as the flatted fifth - EG in the key of C: C, Gb. Note that the augmented 4th is enharmonically equivalent (same note): C, F#. DING! DING! DING! TELL THE MAN WHAT HE WON!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Optimus Prime Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 Holy {censored}! I actually knew the answer. I guess this music theory class is paying off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 DING! DING! DING! TELL THE MAN WHAT HE WON!!! A new car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 A new car! no but my neighbor might be willing to give you his old Taurus. it needs a new radiator, power steering pump, transmission, and muffler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members b_ryceeeee Posted October 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 so if i was writing it on a staff it would have two flat signs in front it since its Bb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 so if i was writing it on a staff it would have two flat signs in front it since its Bb yes and no, yes because that is how the chord is spelled, but no because the key states that B is already flat; so your accidental will be one flat before the note thus notating a double flat. whew! try saying that five times fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members b_ryceeeee Posted October 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 okay awesome idk about saying that five times fast haha but i get, thanks. so its pretty much the same deal for descending intervals then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 okay awesome idk about saying that five times fast haha but i get, thanks. so its pretty much the same deal for descending intervals then? no reverse is so, the pitches although closer together would be the same as the list above but backwards. it is down a minor 2nd but up a major7th down a major 2nd but up a minor7th etc. here is a tip. it should add up to 9 up a 5th = down a 4th:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members i_wanna_les_paul Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 After reading this thread, I feel confused, augmented and diminished... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 yes and no, yes because that is how the chord is spelled, but no because the key states that B is already flat; so your accidental will be one flat before the note thus notating a double flat. whew! try saying that five times fast. Slightly incorrect; a double-flat is always notated with 2 flats in front of the note, regardless of if the note is already flatted in the key signature. http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textd/Doubleflat.html It should also be noted that a double flat will always be shown with two flat symbols, regardless of the key signature. For example, if the current key signature shows one flat (i.e. a B-flat in the key of F Major), adding one flat symbol to a B-flat on the third line of the staff would not create a double flat. Only the addition of the second flat symbol to that note would indicate a double flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted October 20, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 20, 2008 Slightly incorrect; a double-flat is always notated with 2 flats in front of the note, regardless of if the note is already flatted in the key signature.http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textd/Doubleflat.html That's what I was thinking, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 Extra credit Question: Given the above exercise, why notate a double flat rather than the easier-to-read A natural? What are the advantages, and which is more "correct"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bnyswonger Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 Extra credit Question: Given the above exercise, why notate a double flat rather than the easier-to-read B natural?What are the advantages, and which is more "correct"? The double flat is more correct as it's more within the key. And the real note would be A, not B. There is no A natural within the key of Eb, so you have the Bbb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bottom End Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 My piano teacher tried to pound music theory into my brain at a very tender age. That's why I play rock. :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted October 20, 2008 Members Share Posted October 20, 2008 And the real note would be A, not B. You caught me sleeping at the wheel... The explanation I often hear for choosing to notate a double flat vs. it's equivalent natural (in this case, A), is that the harmonic function of that note is more clear. An A natural would indicate a raised 4th degree; the B double flat clearly indicates a flatted fifth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted October 20, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 20, 2008 Extra credit Question: Given the above exercise, why notate a double flat rather than the easier-to-read B natural?What are the advantages, and which is more "correct"? What bnyswonger said. The Bbb is more correct. The advantage is theoretical and notational, for the most part. If it were written as an A natural rather than a Bbb, then the chord would be changed, even though the actual pitches played remain the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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