Members light_without_heat Posted September 15, 2006 Members Share Posted September 15, 2006 The wrong way... I'm sick of on every downstroke hearing the higher octave E first and when I do fingerpicking on a 12 I often hit the upper octave strings instead of the low ones. Can I string it with the low ones first and the octaved ones next? Do any of you do that ever?? I can't really think of why I couldn't do that just wondering about it. -light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted September 16, 2006 Moderators Share Posted September 16, 2006 aside from the fact that the nut is cut for standard, there shouldn't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members light_without_heat Posted September 16, 2006 Author Members Share Posted September 16, 2006 cool i shall string it alternately then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beachbum Posted September 16, 2006 Members Share Posted September 16, 2006 See if you like the sound. Let me know how that works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ZeppelinPie792 Posted September 16, 2006 Members Share Posted September 16, 2006 sounds like a good idea. I myself have some trouble with that, I just think its more of the adaption of having to hit two strings with my pick at the same time. I'm used to the light string being faced towards me, but you can try that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhat Posted September 16, 2006 Members Share Posted September 16, 2006 Originally posted by daddymack aside from the fact that the nut is cut for standard, there shouldn't be a problem. He may run into more playability issues that that. I cant help but think there is a good reason why 12 strings are strung the way they are. The way your chording fingers and picks contact the strings may be the reason why the high string is first. If the big string is first ,, your guitar pick may well just skip over the higher octive string. That said string it up and see how it works ... the worst that could happend is you end up buying another set of strings.... rat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Prog Posted September 16, 2006 Members Share Posted September 16, 2006 He will have to change the nut. Rickenbacker electrics are strung this way. I think they are the only ones. Listen to those old Byrds (?) tunes like "Turn, turn, turn" to hear the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lee Flier Posted September 17, 2006 Members Share Posted September 17, 2006 Yeah, Rickenbackers are strung that way (I have one and much prefer it that way!) And yes you would really have to change the nut in all likelihood, to get it to work properly. You may be able to order a nut from Ric that will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ZeppelinPie792 Posted September 18, 2006 Members Share Posted September 18, 2006 Can't you just switch the actual nuts themselves that came with the guitar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lee Flier Posted September 18, 2006 Members Share Posted September 18, 2006 Originally posted by ZeppelinPie792 Can't you just switch the actual nuts themselves that came with the guitar? How do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scott_335 Posted September 18, 2006 Members Share Posted September 18, 2006 get a nut for a left handed 12 string wersion of your guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elbow Posted September 18, 2006 Members Share Posted September 18, 2006 Originally posted by scott_335 get a nut for a left handed 12 string wersion of your guitar I don't get it.... I'm not sure that would work in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JohnnyD Posted September 18, 2006 Members Share Posted September 18, 2006 I reckon it'd work. I mean look at Jon Butler and his 11 string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ZeppelinPie792 Posted September 18, 2006 Members Share Posted September 18, 2006 The nuts are like: e E a A d D g G b B e E take them out and re arrange them like E e A a D d G g B b E e That way you don't have to buy new nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lee Flier Posted September 18, 2006 Members Share Posted September 18, 2006 You must be talking about the saddles. The nut is a single piece of (usually) bone, between the neck and the headstock. It has a notch in it for each string. You'd have to cut a whole new nut to change the order of the strings, in all likelihood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elbow Posted September 18, 2006 Members Share Posted September 18, 2006 Originally posted by Lee Flier You must be talking about the saddles. The nut is a single piece of (usually) bone, between the neck and the headstock. It has a notch in it for each string. You'd have to cut a whole new nut to change the order of the strings, in all likelihood. exactly.... and the notches *should* be cut to fit the strings that would normally occupy that notch. Just putting the strings on in a different order on a standard 12 string nut will likely cause some problems there. The suggestion to use a Rickenbacker nut in an earlier post is the only one that I have seen that would work.. and even then you might have to make some adjustments to make it fit the neck. Another possibility would be to get a luthier in your area to make a nut that would fit and have the string order that you want...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lee Flier Posted September 18, 2006 Members Share Posted September 18, 2006 What kind of guitar is it btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators daddymack Posted September 18, 2006 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2006 Originally posted by scott_335 get a nut for a left handed 12 string wersion of your guitar that won't help...the string diameters are still relative, and a left handed nut is a mirror image of a right handed one. He will need to make a new nut. I actually did this on an old Fender 12 string years ago, which is why I immediately knew he would have an issue with the nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ZeppelinPie792 Posted September 19, 2006 Members Share Posted September 19, 2006 THATS what that was called! Sorry I always thought that the saddles were called nuts. I once htought the nut was called a bridge, but then I realized it wasn't, and iforgot about that peice. Then again, hey, its a bridge form the neck to the head, so thats why i thought it was called the bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members light_without_heat Posted September 19, 2006 Author Members Share Posted September 19, 2006 Originally posted by Lee Flier What kind of guitar is it btw? It's a Takamine 12 string acoustic electric...the model escapes me. But from the advice given here I think I should just learn to upstrum when I want the boom and as far as fingerpicking goes I'll just stick with the 6 string for accurate fingerpicking passages and do some on the 12 string when it doesn't really matter what the octave order is. I think when I have money I will get a luthier to redo the nut or just buy a new 12 string ... Thanks for all the replies though I really didn't think this thread would last this long -light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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