Members madball24 Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Last night I was doing sound at a metal show and my monitor amp would clip every little while. I had the master gain for the auxiliary at 2 o'clock. And the channel aux at 1 o'clock. I only had mainly vox going thru with alittle guitar. I use jrx 112 for monitors and the amp is crown xls 802. I had the amp at about 4 o'clock. Any advice on what I can do for the next metal show I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Last night I was doing sound at a metal show and my monitor amp would clip every little while. I had the master gain for the auxiliary at 2 o'clock. And the channel aux at 1 o'clock. I only had mainly vox going thru with alittle guitar. I use jrx 112 for monitors and the amp is crown xls 802. I had the amp at about 4 o'clock. Any advice on what I can do for the next metal show I do Get more appropriate equipment. You have run out of both power and speaker for your application. You need to take a step up, or live with it as it is. If I were you, I would back off just a little and hang with it unless you have the funds to do a real upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madball24 Posted November 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 What would be an upgrade? Monitor and amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NUSound Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 MRX512m would certainley be an upgrade. Sound quality would definitely be improved. Plus, that 802 would be a pretty good match for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 What would be an upgrade? Monitor and ampThat amp has plenty of power but it lacks clip limiters so can't be run to its full potential . Biggest issue is your "firewood grade" monitors. Get some used EV FM1502's. They are super efficient, super loud, super heavy, super big - HUGE poser metalhead bling value . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flanc Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Where are you located? Often times folks here have excess gear that is looking for a new home. Those EV's Roadranger mentioned are big, heavy and efficient. You might be able to find some of them used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 Those EV's Roadranger mentioned are big, heavy and efficient. You might be able to find some of them used.Yah, pretty much only metalheads and old school hard rockers like them so you should be able to find them cheap enough. A band I work with has two of the smaller 12" versions and they really sound decent too - they were top notch pro grade in their day. Even those are stoopid big & heavy but if they wanna transport and carry 'em I'll use them . Having to use a hand truck for monitors just seems wrong to me - I think those FM1502's are 75lbs ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madball24 Posted November 30, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 which amps have clip limiters in them?? give me some models please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted November 30, 2009 Members Share Posted November 30, 2009 which amps have clip limiters in them?? give me some models please QSC GX and RMX series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted December 1, 2009 Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 which amps have clip limiters in them?? give me some models pleasePretty much any decent present production amp. The XLS is the only one I can think of that doesn't have them. The GX5 would be about the same power as your XLS802 and much less likely to blow your $$$ HF drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted December 1, 2009 Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 I'd either double up on the wedges or get more powerful wedges 1st. That's just me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shaster Posted December 1, 2009 Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 I sometimes wonder if JBL had any idea that giving their budget line the same model configuration as their more expensive counterparts would work out so well (ie. PRX, SRX, MRX, and behold JRX). I would have bet that a low level line would have hurt JBL's reputation, but it seems it hasn't made a bit of difference, kind of interesting. At least Mackie gave a different name to their budget speakers (at first) but I hear the Thumps have been rebranded. Oh yea, those EV 1502's.... are heavy, but boy they sure were THE thing back in the "old" days. I still like them - at the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaBender Posted December 1, 2009 Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 Ok, someone please explain to me how adding speakers is going to prevent his amp from clipping. I can understand how a more efficient speaker might help, but after that I'm lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted December 1, 2009 Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 I sometimes wonder if JBL had any idea that giving their budget line the same model configuration as their more expensive counterparts would work out so well (ie. PRX, SRX, MRX, and behold JRX).I always thought the "JR" stands for junior, as in it being their kiddie toy line . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted December 1, 2009 Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 Ok, someone please explain to me how adding speakers is going to prevent his amp from clipping. I can understand how a more efficient speaker might help, but after that I'm lost. With one box on a channel (assumption), adding a second wedge will increase the power the amp can deliver and the SPL as well as the fullness to that position on stage will increase significantly. I double-box all my front line positions with SRX-712's. Very robust, even with only 300 watts per box (they are biamped of course), and I never run into the limiters, which is why I haven't upgraded power. Plenty loud for the application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted December 1, 2009 Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 FWIW I have 200w (RMX850) to each EV FM1202 and have never seen the limiter lights flicker. They are turned up as loud as they will go minus about 3db with SM58's and DBX AFS224 feedback eliminators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madball24 Posted December 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 1, 2009 This is what it says for the crown xls :Features sophisticated protection circuitry (from shorted, open, or mismatched loads, input and high frequency overloads is that almost the same thing as the guardrail on the qsc gx amps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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