Members Grayson73 Posted April 4, 2010 Members Share Posted April 4, 2010 Hi, I'm looking for some 1/4" cables for instruments, such as guitars and keyboards. Should I get the TS Mono: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10244&cs_id=1024407&p_id=5497&seq=1&format=2 Or TRS Stereo: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10244&cs_id=1024406&p_id=4794&seq=1&format=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted April 4, 2010 Members Share Posted April 4, 2010 TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted April 4, 2010 Members Share Posted April 4, 2010 TS and here the best bang for the buck cables out there IMO.http://www.audiopile.net/products/Mic_Instr_Cables/UCGP-TW/UCGP-TW_Series.shtml A lot folks here will validate my suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Telecruiser Posted April 4, 2010 Members Share Posted April 4, 2010 TS and here the best bang for the buck cables out there IMO. http://www.audiopile.net/products/Mic_Instr_Cables/UCGP-TW/UCGP-TW_Series.shtml A lot folks here will validate my suggestion. audioplie.net is the place to shop! High quality products, great prices and fast friendly service! You won't be sorry. Audiopile.net .... making professionals just that much more professional. :thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prosigna Posted April 4, 2010 Members Share Posted April 4, 2010 TS and here the best bang for the buck cables out there IMO.http://www.audiopile.net/products/Mic_Instr_Cables/UCGP-TW/UCGP-TW_Series.shtmlA lot folks here will validate my suggestion. But the other ones are 16-GA!!!!! :poke: on a serious note.... There is no reason to use a TRS cable for guitar or most keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scodiddly Posted April 4, 2010 Members Share Posted April 4, 2010 TS all the way! You probably won't ever need a TRS cable unless you're a mid-level pro sound dude. And +1 on Audiopile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 16 gauge, maybe they are selling speaker cables as instrument cables. Good grief, marketing guys should learn about this stuff before they write ad copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prosigna Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 Those are 16-ga TRS. Who makes this stuff? I love the sales pitch: "Balanced audio cables utilize impedance balanced lines that reduce EM and RF noise and extend the effective range of the cable run. Additionally, unlike standard unbalanced RCA interconnects that utilizes their braid as a signal return, balanced cables have a separate braided shield to provide additional resistance to interference without modulating the interference into the signal. This prevents ground loop issues." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 Marketing crapola, the world is awash in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DBR Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 16GA is overkill. Just to let you know, I would utilize a TRS to run my Ric in Stereo. As a matter of fact I am looking for a long enough TRS cable just for that purpose. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prosigna Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 http://www.audiopile.net/products/Mic_Instr_Cables/IP-101/IP-101_cutsheet.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grayson73 Posted April 5, 2010 Author Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 Is there a drawback when using TRS Stereo Patch cables for instruments or are they just not needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prosigna Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 Is there a drawback when using TRS Stereo Patch cables for instruments or are they just not needed? If the output jack of the instrument and the input jack of the amp are TS jacks then the R in the TRS is simply not used. If the instrument is an active guitar/bass/etc.... then many times it uses a TRS jack as a switch. By that I mean the battery circuit runs to the R of the TRS. When you insert a standard TS cable into the jack it completes the circuit between the R and the S, activating the on-board electronics. If you use a TRS cable then the circuit would remain open and the guitar/bass/etc... would not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 Is there a drawback when using TRS Stereo Patch cables for instruments or are they just not needed? Technically speaking (without getting in too deep): Good quality hi-z TS instrument cables are specifically designed and manufactured for unbalanced hi-z applications... the cable is a co-axial style consisting of a single stranded conductor at the center of the cable and a tightly woven braided outer shield... with special attention given to the insulation & possibly a thin layer of conductive PVC between the outer braid shield and the center conductor. Also, with good quality hi-z instrument cables, special consideration is give to the outer jacket of the cable as generally the cable will need to be extremely durable yet remain very flexible and tangle free. Good quality stereo TRS patch cables are designed and manufactured with some differing criterion. Since stereo patch cables have two conductors (and a shield), by definition, the conductors can't be physically centered within the cross-section of the cable. Oftentimes the shield is of a spiral (serve) type rather than braided. Oftentimes the outer jacket is of a different type of material than what would be of choice with a hi-z instrument cable, since patch cables are... well... patch cables (not intended to see a lot of action on stage). Oftentimes the cordends are different on hi-z cable vs. stereo patch cables Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 "Balanced audio cables utilize impedance balanced lines that reduce EM and RF noise and extend the effective range of the cable run. Additionally, unlike standard unbalanced RCA interconnects that utilizes their braid as a signal return, balanced cables have a separate braided shield to provide additional resistance to interference without modulating the interference into the signal. This prevents ground loop issues." Biggest crock of crap I ever read. Just when the marketers can't get any stupider... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hookani Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 If you have a Taylor guitar and going straight to a balanced input then use TRS as Taylor's output is balanced. Ho'okani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted April 5, 2010 Members Share Posted April 5, 2010 If you have a Taylor guitar and going straight to a balanced input then use TRS as Taylor's output is balanced.Ho'okani One of the exceptions to the rule, and only with the expression system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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