Live Show Last Night - Under Snare Mic?

[Ryan.]

When you do this do you have to reverse the phase... or polarity... or what? Or do you do nothing to achieve some sort of effect?

 

Also, he was running ONLY the HPR153is with no subs and I was really surprised at the great sound he got out of the kick (which had no port by the way).

[RoadRanger]

When you do this do you have to reverse the phase... or polarity... or what? Or do you do nothing to achieve some sort of effect?

When combined with a top mike you usually reverse the phase of the bottom one.

Also, he was running ONLY the HPR153is with no subs and I was really surprised at the great sound he got out of the kick (which had no port by the way).

What mic(s) and placement were used for the kick?

[agedhorse]

You need to reverse the phase (polarity) only when combining with a top snare mic (generally)... unless your bleed between toms and snarte is really ugly, meaning that your mic positioning could use help FIRST.

[Ryan.]

He only had a mic on the bottom of the snare, so I'm guessing he didn't need to do anything then.

 

The kick drum mic looked like a AKG D 112, but I couldn't say for sure. He had it about 3 inches back from the kick about 3 inches right of center, and those HPRs were doing well for him.

[RoadRanger]

The kick drum mic looked like a AKG D 112, but I couldn't say for sure. He had it about 3 inches back from the kick about 3 inches right of center, and those HPRs were doing well for him.

Interesting - are you sure there wasn't another mic on the beater side?

[agedhorse]

D112 and sounds good in the same sentence?

[Ryan.]

Oooh, I can't say that for sure. I've never seen that done before! Wouldn't you get a lot of the click doing that?

[Ryan.]

Oh, and I'm not sure it was a D112. It just had that same style... with the grooves in the back and the big mic head.

[Ryan.]

The show was at Marilyn's downtown by the way, Aged.

[agedhorse]

Just a block away from my venue.

 

Was it crowded?

[Ryan.]

Only one band, not crowded. Probably 30-35 people. Not bad for a tues night I guess.

 

Whats your venue?

[jwlussow]

D112 and sounds good in the same sentence?

 

 

i had a D112 in my back seat just laying out in the open during an event. after the event was over i came out to find someone had smashed the window of my car, and placed another D112 in my backseat. - Coaster

[Ryan.]

Ha. I run a D6. It works. Never used the D112.

[Ryan.]

Aged are you at Memorial? I just saw Conan's show there, got VIP backstage passes. So awesome. Sound was great too for the whole thing.

[RoadRanger]

Oooh, I can't say that for sure. I've never seen that done before! Wouldn't you get a lot of the click doing that?

You blend the two mics together to taste - again with one phase reversed like the snare mics. Personally I've always mic'd the batter side out towards the edge if there is no hole and I only had one mic (or more likely am being lazy ).

[agedhorse]

 

Aged are you at Memorial? I just saw Conan's show there, got VIP backstage passes. So awesome. Sound was great too for the whole thing.

 

 

Crest.

[Ryan.]

I'm in a battle of the bands where the finals were supposed to happen at The Crest.

 

Empty promises. They'll be at The Sandbar and The Fire Escape.

 

Fire Escape has decent sound, but The Sandbar is awful.

[agedhorse]

Which battle of the bands was that?

[Ryan.]

Summer Showdown, by Adrenaline Productions

[Dogoth]

 

D112 and sounds good in the same sentence?

 

 

I don't personaly mind the D112 in some circumstances but....... Due to it's bottom heavy/top light response, it only sounds good when it's inside RIGHT NEXT TO THE BEATER to give a lot more attack. What amazes me is that it sounded good placed where he said it was. That IS amazing!

[soul-x]

Marilyn's does use a D112 on kick. I'd say its definitely the most common kick mic on the club level.

 

They do use "subs', In the sense that he has a couple of Old huge Peavey BW Dual 15's that he only uses the low biamp in on. Monitors are JRX, and each stage position is double boxed. They've got one of those massive old square Peavey 18x10x1 (or whatever) as a drum fill. Board is a Mackie SR24 and processing is mixed batch of Alesis and lower end stuff. Sound is about as you would expect for that cobbled together setup, bad to ok depending on how its run on a given night.

 

Building acoustics are actually pretty good as it's a decent-sized and odd shaped room.

 

Wednesday nights are completely dependent on band draw there, otherwise empty.

[soul-x]

I do think if one is to mic the kick without subs, a D112 might be as good as it gets. It's got a lot of low-mid whomp that would probably produce some amount of lowish sounds through a set of full-range.

 

Under snare mic placement can be fine. In a smaller setting you're not really trying to amplify the snare so much as accentuate some of the smack.

[agedhorse]

 

Summer Showdown, by Adrenaline Productions

 

 

Never made it onto my production schedule so it couldn't have gotten very far alonng.

[Ryan.]

I'm sure not. Doesn't surprise me though. These BOTB contests are just a crappy way for venues and production companies to make some quick money without paying the bands invovled. So why not make false promises about playing at a cool place like the Crest?

[Ryan.]

 

Under snare mic placement can be fine. In a smaller setting you're not really trying to amplify the snare so much as accentuate some of the smack.

 

 

I might have to give this a shot at Main St Brewery in Roseville then.