Members separanets Posted June 22, 2007 Members Share Posted June 22, 2007 Rat-1, Proco Rat, Vintage Rat are different names for one pedal or defferent pedals at all? I'd like to have the things brought in the proper order. I mean to get one on the yahoo one day and I need to know in which pedals the LM308 is installed and which pedal has "The Rat" on its bottom. They put names in defferent ways. They may write Rat? instead of Rat2 or they may RatII. Some times the write Vintage Rat, sometimes I see 'old rat' but mostly they write "Rat-1". So is the name of Rat-1 the same as just Proco Rat, Vintage Rat? Or maybe it's better to exclude the modern models, which ones do we have now? the DeuceTone, You Dirty Rat, the Rat2 (also vintage ), what else? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MathiasWilliam Posted June 22, 2007 Members Share Posted June 22, 2007 Rat ll is defanately the reissue to the original rat, but i am not sure if the original rat is the vintage looking one or the first line of small box rats, you can tell the difference between rat 2's and the original small box rats because where it says rat on the front face the old one had the logo next to the word rat and they didn't not have an LED. The vintage rat is the flat big boxed version but there is reissue's of that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Go Hemi, go Posted June 23, 2007 Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 Big box Rat or the re-issue is the one you probably want. Has teh original circuit with LM308. Others are Ok, but that's "the one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jalfredprufrock Posted June 23, 2007 Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 The other guitarist in my band and I both have Rat 2s. Mine has the LM308. His doesn't. I don't think there's a way to tell w/o opening them up. You can still pick these up cheap and have Keely do a 3-way Mod and/or switch out the chip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Go Hemi, go Posted June 23, 2007 Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 Here you go! the RAT history page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drasp Posted June 23, 2007 Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 That's the ProCo official site - and I think it's cool as hell that they've got pix. of old versions, but this is a more better site. And though this one doesn't have as many pictures, it's still got some great info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted June 23, 2007 Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 i thought the BRAT was a bass rat. its pink! anyone know it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sa1126 Posted June 23, 2007 Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 i thought the BRAT was a bass rat. its pink! anyone know it? nope...it was the budget rat from the late 90's. it can be setup to sound almost identical to the rat II i have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StompboxMan Posted June 23, 2007 Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 So many Rats, so little time. "Bud Box" RAT Never intended to be a mass produced product, the original RAT pedals were built completely by hand, enclosed in an off-the-shelf project box. All of the holes were hand drilled and were finished in a black crinkle coating with a bright florescent silk-screened logo. Only twelve of these pedal were built, one prototype and eleven production models. The Rat 1979-81 The Rat This was the first RAT pedal manufactured in large numbers. To give the RAT a unique look, a custom 20 gauge wrap-around enclosure was designed. The white RAT logo was silk-screened on black, painted metal. The "EQ" on this pedal is labeled Tone. The Tone control increased high frequencies when it was turned clockwise, the opposite of later models. Juggernaut 1979-84 Juggernaut Available as a custom order-only product, the Juggernaut was Pro Co's bass distortion pedal. Like the RAT, the Juggernaut was built in a 20 gauge wrap-around enclosure with a white silk-screened logo. In addition to the distortion circuit, the Juggernaut included an effects loop with a mix control to vary the amount of direct to effected signal being sent to the pedal's output. The Rat (ver. 2) 1981-83 The Rat (ver. 2) The main difference between this model and the earlier version is the switch from a Tone to the Filter control. The Filter cuts high frequencies as it is turned clockwise. The RAT logo was also switched from an all caps logo to one that was more stylized, while the "a" and "t" were now lower case. Small Box RAT 1984-88 Small Box RAT The switch to the "Small Box" RAT was essentially just a cosmetic makeover. While the circuit remained the same, the enclosure evolved into a more compact version, with a 12-gauge U-shaped base. The Pro Co logo sat next to the RAT logo on the pedal top, silk-screened in black inside of a white box. In 1986, the logo was reversed to white on the black, painted metal. R2DU 1984-88 R2DU During the rack effects boom of the 1980s, Pro Co introduced the R2DU, which was essentially two RAT circuits in a single rack space box. The two units could be used separately or cascaded together for a more powerful distortion. The R2DU included the RFS-2 dual footswitch for remote control of the unit. RAT 2 1988-present RAT 2 The RAT 2 signaled the next generation of RAT pedals. While the enclosure remained the same, the silk-screened logo gave way to a Lexan/Mylar overlay with glow-in-the-dark graphics. A red on/off LED was also added. In 2003, Pro Co converted the RAT 2 to a sloped enclosure, which had been used on the Turbo RAT since its introduction. Turbo RAT 1989-present Turbo RAT Eleven years after the birth of the RAT, the Turbo RAT was the first product to expand upon the tonal base of the RAT design. Essentially the same circuit with different clipping diodes, the Turbo RAT provides a more aggressive tone. The Turbo RAT also introduced the now standard sloped face enclosure. Vintage RAT 1991-2005 Vintage RAT As the vintage instruments market surged, demand grew for a reissue of the "large box" RAT pedal. The Vintage RAT can easily be identified from an original in two ways. First, the Pro Co logo does not contain the "Sound Inc." text written down its right side. The reissue also features an easy access battery compartment on the pedal's bottom. Brat 1997-2001 Brat The Brat signaled Pro Co's entry into the economy priced effects pedal market. Still built in the USA, the BRAT featured a tone similar to its more expensive brothers, but was built with a less indestructible enclosure. The BRAT was adorned in a florescent purple and yellow color scheme. The "EQ" control was labeled Tone instead of Filter. Deucetone RAT 2002-present Deucetone RAT As boutique pedal builders pushed effects prices higher and higher, Pro Co introduced the Deucetone RAT to compete in this market. The Deucetone RAT is the evolution of the R2DU, with two RAT circuits in one enclosure, but now in a pedal . Each RAT circuit is switchable between three RAT tones. The Deucetone introduced the Dirty RAT and Clean RAT settings to guitarists. Juggernaut Bass RAT 2003-present Juggernaut Bass RAT In 2003, Pro Co decided it was time to reintroduce the Juggernaut bass distortion pedal. Along with an updated circuit, the new Juggernaut Bass RAT featured the same modern appointments as other RAT pedals. These included a sloped U-channel enclosure, Lexan/Mylar graphics overlay, and LED on/off indicators. You Dirty RAT 2004-present You Dirty RAT Due to the popularity of the Dirty RAT setting in the Deucetone RAT, the You Dirty RAT brought that tone into a single channel pedal. Like the Turbo RAT, the You Dirty RAT shares much of the same circuitry with the original RAT, but with germanium clipping diodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grayeyes777 Posted June 23, 2007 Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 You want the small box rat.... 84-88. I just got one and it smokes all other rats i've had (keeley, brown rabbit, new rat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members separanets Posted June 23, 2007 Author Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 Well thanks guys, the sites are very cool but still say little about the chips and stuff. However, they were helpful. Since they write the Small Box Rat has the same guts, I think, grayeyes777, you're right I need the Small Box Rat (no LED) http://webpages.charter.net/daosmun/Small%20Box%20Rat.htm Here are two, I'm sure they are genuine. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Finjapan.ru%2FauctionDescription%2Fshow%2Fb78842325.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Finjapan.ru%2FauctionDescription%2Fshow%2F103261735.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members booher Posted June 23, 2007 Members Share Posted June 23, 2007 I've got a rat from somewhere between 86-88...when the reversed the text to white on black. I'm pretty happy with the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members separanets Posted June 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted June 25, 2007 I see they are sold for $125+, old Small Box Rats, though they appear regularly. So do you think it's good if I wait a bit and buy it a bit cheaper or the prices are totally adequate and I should buy one immediately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 89strat Posted June 26, 2007 Members Share Posted June 26, 2007 I've got a rat from somewhere between 86-88...when the reversed the text to white on black. I'm pretty happy with the thing. How can you tell the age of a Rat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drasp Posted June 26, 2007 Members Share Posted June 26, 2007 Read my post above & follow the links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members separanets Posted October 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2007 I bought a Big Box Vintage Rat Reissue, the one with the LM308 chip and to be honest, I like how the vintage rat mode sounds in my DeuceTone Rat. The Vintage Rat RI is more transparent, but the DeuceTone is very tight and has more lows. Well, in general the Big Box Reissue and the Vintage Mod in the DeuceTone are so similar in character, that the listeners who took part in my test couldn't distinguish any nuances. So what do you think, may be the Vintage Reissue in not my cup of t or I can search for a Vintage Original? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members separanets Posted January 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 5, 2008 As far as I understand this is a Vintage Rat 84-86, right? http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6303/rat2yc0.jpg The owner of this pedal describes it as a Rat2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Urinate Forever Posted January 5, 2008 Members Share Posted January 5, 2008 As far as I understand this is a Vintage Rat 84-86, right? http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6303/rat2yc0.jpg The owner of this pedal describes it as a Rat2. sucks for him. the early versions of the RAT2 had the LM308 chip, i believe. Up until about 1989 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members separanets Posted January 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 5, 2008 Thanks I thought so too. I paid for such one about $80, but that man asks for $50, because he thinks he's selling a Rat2. I'm sure it is an old vintage rat. No led, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Urinate Forever Posted January 5, 2008 Members Share Posted January 5, 2008 Thanks I thought so too. I paid for such one about $80, but that man asks for $50, because he thinks he's selling a Rat2. I'm sure it is an old vintage rat. No led, and so on. then why don't you snag it??? that's a good deal, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MathiasWilliam Posted January 5, 2008 Members Share Posted January 5, 2008 Thanks I thought so too. I paid for such one about $80, but that man asks for $50, because he thinks he's selling a Rat2. I'm sure it is an old vintage rat. No led, and so on. Defanately a Original Smallbox Rat, the Proco logo is ont he front:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members separanets Posted January 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 5, 2008 I just tought what if Proco guys made a trick with a Rat2 and out it into a box with black letters on a white backgtound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members friction Posted January 5, 2008 Members Share Posted January 5, 2008 sucks for him.the early versions of the RAT2 had the LM308 chip, i believe. Up until about 1989 or something. All Rats, including Rat II's, Turbo Rats, and the vintage reissues had the lm308chip until 2003ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members friction Posted January 5, 2008 Members Share Posted January 5, 2008 I just tought what if Proco guys made a trick with a Rat2 and out it into a box with black letters on a white backgtound. The circuits are pretty similar anyway. Rat II's were coined as such when they released Rat's with LED's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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