Members kyrreca Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 no, some people cant handle it. good thing none of you knuckleheads are in charge of anything important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 its not a loan. you argue just to argue and its lolerful. so AIG (who got 150 billion as of last week) shouldn't have to pay back anything and three of the biggest employers in the US shouldn't even get a loan worth a fraction of that? please make sense of that to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'll have to totally disagree. Not sure where you have worked, or how old you are. Perhaps this was true in 1972, but every job i ever had where there were more than 10 people in the workplace any hard work i did was usually unnoticed by anyone of consequence. when reviews came up working my ass off, or doing just enough to keep my job, had a remote chance of being the difference between a 1% and 3% pay raise. Today in the US if you work in manufacturing, you are usually hired as a temp, and only hope to get hired on... Getting hired on usually has more to do with where the company is at in their cycle of hiring, and the limits of how long they are allowed to contract you as a temp. You can spend a lot of time out on the floor in a place like that and never even meet the guys making the decisions. getting ahead has more to do with the dynamics of personal relationships in a place like this. I've seen way to many people get ahead when others were obviously more qualified, worked harder and just gave more of a {censored} about what they were doing as opposed to ass kissing and blind ambition. Oh, ok. I guess my experiences are nil then. The only way I really got ahead was kissing ass rather than obviously being an asset to the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 ummmm just go on to a lot, and look for comperable carssay a ford focus, and a honda civic. I'm not talking sticker price, but actual price paid. in 2000 i bought my ford focus for 11K brand new, with AC, options, bigger engine, pretty much everything but the auto transmission.I tried to buy a honda, but the cheap civic was way under powered, no AC, not nothing, and the ones that weren't were all like $16K.I've had the focus for 8 years and no reliability issues at all. I'm sorry, but the honda is made with higher quality parts with tighter tolerances. Here's how it goes for parts quality and tolerances: u.s.-> japan-> germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'm sorry, but the honda is made with higher quality parts with tighter tolerances. Here's how it goes for parts quality and tolerances: u.s.-> japan-> germany. that's your opinion but in my experience (I've had all three) they all use pretty cheap ass {censored} these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 that's your opinion but in my experience (I've had all three) they all use pretty cheap ass {censored} these days. This is not opinion, this is from my uncle, who is an automotive parts designer in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 This is not opinion, this is from my uncle, who is an automotive parts designer in Detroit.his opinion then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 his opinion then It's not opinion. They use better materials and tolerances. How is that opinion? If he thought they looked better or made better sounds or whatever, that would be opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tetaJ Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 This is what i don't understand: I guy steals money in a bank in an island in the Caribbean and the USA goverment is all over it saying that if those guys don't go to prison the USA gov will be mad, bla bla bla.... They do the same {censored} here and the USA gov is bailing all of those thieves out. WTF?????Why the 2 faces??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'm sorry, but the honda is made with higher quality parts with tighter tolerances. Here's how it goes for parts quality and tolerances: u.s.-> japan-> germany.now yr coming back around to kaizen, tqm etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members freeridstylee Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 now yr coming back around to kaizen, tqm etc... Keep in mind Ford's CEO Alan Mulally has a huge boner for the Kaizen JIT system of Toyota. He successfully used it to turn around Boeing. And it's implementation in Ford has made them the highest quality domestic automaker. Their small cars are on par quality wise with Toyota's (as per consumer reports). The major thing that keeps people from buying is stigma. Or most probably poor past experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 now yr coming back around to kaizen, tqm etc... Oh their superiority is definitely due to their culture and approach to things. Ive never denied that....and my uncle actually noted this is the reason why their parts and tolerances are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 Keep in mind Ford's CEO Alan Mulally has a huge boner for the Kaizen JIT system of Toyota. He successfully used it to turn around Boeing. And it's implementation in Ford has made them the highest quality domestic automaker. Their small cars are on par quality wise with Toyota's (as per consumer reports). The major thing that keeps people from buying is stigma. Or most probably poor past experiences. It's tough to pull it off. In my experience middle management are the most resistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 Oh their superiority is definitely due to their culture and approach to things. Ive never denied that....and my uncle actually noted this is the reason why their parts and tolerances are. I don't care what your uncle says about tolerances, jap/german cars fall apart/rust just the same as american cars. when your window drops into the door and won't come up again or the door handle breaks off you don't give a {censored} about tolerances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I don't care what your uncle says about tolerances, jap/german cars fall apart/rust just the same as american cars.when your window drops into the door and won't come up again or the door handle breaks off you don't give a {censored} about tolerances. Robopimp, how old are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members freeridstylee Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 Robopimp, how old are you? I'm going to have to agree with Robo here. You make an unfounded claim without any backup. Lets say in fact Company A uses higher tolerances for a part then Company B does, but company B designs a part better suited for its purpose then Company A. Which one will last longer? Which one will work better? Exactly. Tolerance of parts is one one piece of the pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I'm going to have to agree with Robo here. You make an unfounded claim without any backup. Lets say in fact Company A uses higher tolerances for a part then Company B does, but company B designs a part better suited for its purpose then Company A. Which one will last longer? Which one will work better? Exactly. Tolerance of parts is one one piece of the pie. Did I say it was the only piece? jeezus..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 Did I say it was the only piece? jeezus.....you didn't say anything, it's second hand opinion from your uncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 you didn't say anything, it's second hand opinion from your uncle so therefore I wasnt claiming it to be "the whole pie," so to speak. my uncle is a designer for dura automotive and his clients and competitors are all around the world. Indeed thats only once facet of the construction of a car, but its a pretty important one and could (and I believe is) a part pf a trend within the specific sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAtomicJeff Posted November 19, 2008 Members Share Posted November 19, 2008 I like this: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/autos.ceo.jets/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 I like this: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/autos.ceo.jets/index.html well the plane trip cost $20,000 x 3 $60,000... AIG's big wigs all went on a $440,000 luxury spa AFTER they got their first 85 billion dollars in bailout cash... WHY is the government riding the car companies so hard for a "measly" 25 billion but not these fat cats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jorhay1 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 WHY is the government riding the car companies so hard for a "measly" 25 billion but not these fat cats? do you think maybe the gov is just putting on a little show? you know these gentlemen eventualy will receive the $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 I like this: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/autos.ceo.jets/index.html Yes, I believe they sealed the deal and showed what their problem really is: arrogance and ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 {censored}ty thing is whos gonna take over the pensions and the other legacy costs of the automakers? US tax payer. Whos gonna make up for the lost tax revenue? How many (nonprivate jet having) jobs could be lost almost overnight? $25B loan now or 100s of billions. Basically it boils down to tax payers and normal working stiffs once again. Too many people drank the deregulation koolaid.... Now capitalism has entered it's cancer stage. I doubt the automakers really want the loan anyway. This provides them the opportunity to break the unions. One sentiment I agree with Echo about, they either die now or die later... BUT thats how I see capitalism in general. Without regulation it consumes itself much faster than it does with regulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FuzzShifter Posted November 20, 2008 Members Share Posted November 20, 2008 I guess American blue-collar workers aren't valued anymore. Must be because, the people that do business at golf courses built this country, and sustained the economy all by themselves. Buy imports while you can.... you still have a job, today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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