Members Mike Conway Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 ...and now something more useful... :rawk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G-bus v2.0 Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 The OASYS has been profitable for Korg (i.e. they have made more money than they spent developing it). How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members acoustictones Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 How do you know? I can't tell you that he is right, but I can tell ya that he does know his stuff, and he does research this stuff. I'll take his word it. And even if it were not true, don't you think it's a bit of a "loss leader"? Mean that they were able to use A LOT of what they put into this board (i.e.: R&D) is what helped them develop a number of their current, and most likely future products. Mean that it would not be real accurate to devote or assign every dollar spent on R&D to the Oasys since it is most likely that same R&D that could be acredited to a number of their other current and future products. So I have a hard time thinking that there wasn't some kind of master plan with the Oasys. I have to believe that they had more than one reason to build that board, and it wasn't ALL for how many Oasys boards that we going to be produced and sold. But...I could be wrong...I just think Korg deserves more credit in their over all planning and business model than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G-bus v2.0 Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 I think Korg HAS recouped their development cost with the oasys. I mean, it costs $8000... They coud probably recoup their expenses with 50 units. I'm just curious as to how Martin can be so sure of himself when he makes these statements. I doubt that Korg makes it a policy to release their revenues and expenses to the general public, and certainly not on a per project basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orangefunk Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 wahey!!!!!!!!!!!! at last HC becomes Ofunks kinda place... more naked women please... as gratitiuous as you fancy... I agree about the Asian women comment... I give them high marks from personal experience ;-) Ofunk signing off too pissed to care... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 Nobody put pics of naked girls in my FAQ thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Birdienumnum Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 Nobody put pics of naked girls in my FAQ thread... Ok, I'll put something there. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 Ok, I'll put something there. Be careful what you wish for. HOT GIRLS! Under the age of 40! Crap! I hope it's not too late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A*X*7 Posted January 19, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 Naked girls are awsome!!! bring 'em on................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Birdienumnum Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 Here ya go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members midi Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 Please - no more pics - keyboards only! :cop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 I think Korg HAS recouped their development cost with the oasys. I mean, it costs $8000... They coud probably recoup their expenses with 50 units. Given you have always claimed you thought the OASYS was overpriced and "worth" about $4,000, it would have to be profitable, yes? Just by the user posts over at Karma Lab, I can tell that Korg has manufactured at least 3,195 OASYS units, which would represent a pretty large retail value. To contrast this, there is similar M3 thread which shows that Korg has already manufactured at least 13,995 M3 units. Korg isn't stupid, the OASYS was always intended to be a low-volume keyboard given its price. However, I still wish Yamaha and Roland would be willing to move away from the "normal" $4,000 price point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 TKorg isn't stupid, the OASYS was always intended to be a low-volume keyboard given its price. However, I still wish Yamaha and Roland would be willing to move away from the "normal" $4,000 price point. you know I like Korg. We have discussed this before. It seems that Yamaha and Roland have looked at the risk/reward of a $6k workstation and said ' not for us at this time ' Especially with the {censored}ty USD and the shaky condition of the US economy this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A*X*7 Posted January 19, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 That picture of the Fat couple.....How can they Screw?? :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 ... adding another module makes $ense since it seems the sequencer is designed to handle that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members realtrance Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 Going for a market above $3k is always tough; Korg, like the team that did the Andromeda, took a big chance in making OASYS, even though it wasn't so big in the sense that it became a good testbed for rolling out future subsets of its technology. I appreciate Roland's continued care with thinking about coming out with quality at a price point. Sure, they could've thrown in 4,6,8 ARX slots, but why? With two slots you have a broad addition to the existing sound palette. Maybe also more than two slots stresses subtle things like the overall circuitry load (requiring more substantial board redesign and manufacture redesign to accompany it, no small cost), the physical reliability of the slots, the increased risk of expensive theft (4 slots means the risk of 4 ARX boards -- what, $2K of expansion boards -- stolen out of a keyboard at a show, say), etc. etc. etc. With two slots you have enough flexibility to customize your focus without too much added cost and risk. And it leaves room for Roland to come out with a rack unit that might offer more slots, once the library of ARX boards is large enough to make having 'em worthwhile. All in all, it's a question of careful planning; Roland's still in the biz and doing well because of it. I'd say the same thing is true of polyphony, and RAM; you can look at the 95% usage case and see that 128-note and 1GB on a workstation is more than enough; beyond that is overkill, for a keyboard meant to be used in performance as well as in the studio. Beyond that, in the studio, you simply combine your Fantom-G with your PC, yes? Ditto for huge samples, save that for the PC. It's a question of thinking again about where to invest your money in R&D and manufacture, and where you're busy spending a LOT more to satisfy an increasingly narrow part of your customer base. Roland addresses that small elite with its more experimental efforts, like V-Synth, not in its bread-and-butter systems, like MV and Fantom, methinks. This is, long-term, why I like Roland as a customer; they make sensible business decisions, without really seriously limiting the range of offerings they give a big variety of different types of musicians, and they do this in a way that means I can trust they'll be around in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcpro Posted January 19, 2008 Members Share Posted January 19, 2008 It must have something to do with some problem integrating more than two ARX boards into the G circuit. Like printer manufacturers selling ink cartridges, Roland loves selling expansion boards for their products and makes a considerable amount of money doing so. They would have put four or even six slots in it if they could have. Regarding the Oasys, it really wasn't that risky for Korg and I'm not surprised at all that it's a profitable product. Some of you guys are unaware of the "power" of the P&W market. There are no Oasyses in the places of worship in my area...we're too poor, but there are plenty of megachurches where money is simply no object when it comes to assembling their sound systems. It's striking looks also video well for closed circuit or regional cable. And they're all doing that one. It reminds me a lot of the K250 which was in production throughout the 1980s, way beyond it's normal production cycle, because of it's appeal to large houses of worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A*X*7 Posted January 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 20, 2008 Any more word from someone that is actually at NAMM to share hands on experience?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cold truth Posted January 20, 2008 Members Share Posted January 20, 2008 I find the release date to be most impressive. 2 and a half months isn't half bad. This is actualy the first keyboard workstation that i have truly wanted to own. i have always preffered racks but the sequencer finally looks like something i'd like to work on, plus the internal audio tracks and extremely high effects count make this thing very sexy. one thing though, the 23 arx slots are a little disapointing. 6 is ideal, because you know they will make several more, but im sure they got a rack on its way for that. kudos to roland though, looks like the best of the Big Three next gen offerings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orangefunk Posted January 20, 2008 Members Share Posted January 20, 2008 That video will cost them sales... jeez Thats like me in 1987 when If first got my W30... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members b3keys Posted January 20, 2008 Members Share Posted January 20, 2008 "Let's Do It!""Drag and Drop!""Supranatural!":poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cjoy Posted January 20, 2008 Members Share Posted January 20, 2008 Not sure if this has been posted, but here is a Sound On Sound NAMM clip on the G8: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted January 20, 2008 Members Share Posted January 20, 2008 I find the release date to be most impressive. 2 and a half months isn't half bad. This is actualy the first keyboard workstation that i have truly wanted to own. i have always preffered racks but the sequencer finally looks like something i'd like to work on, plus the internal audio tracks and extremely high effects count make this thing very sexy. one thing though, the 23 arx slots are a little disapointing. 6 is ideal, because you know they will make several more, but im sure they got a rack on its way for that. kudos to roland though, looks like the best of the Big Three next gen offerings. It might happen in April. It might be late April Then it slides into May I have had that experience with Roland NAMM announced products before Just FYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members C#minor Posted January 20, 2008 Members Share Posted January 20, 2008 The SonicState video is not working for me. The page loads but the video does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members b3keys Posted January 20, 2008 Members Share Posted January 20, 2008 I'd rather wait for the Jim Stout or Scott Tibbs video. "Hanna's" video was too fey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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