Members kooki_sf Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 thanaan: they use ableton live. go read about what you can do with that program, and you will understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 just to be cranky.. how much actual performing can you do when your "samples" are all 3-5 minutes long? theyre godamn djs get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cl516 Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 IMO the fact that people are discussing this at all proves they've carved out a special role for themselves that blurs DJ, remix, pressing play, wearing helmets, sampling, and whatever else you wanna say they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 when i say something sucks, it sucks. you can't unsuck it with your happy happy joy joy comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Delicious Lamprey Problem Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leandrusi Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 From a sound stand point, I'd sum it up in one word:compression Hey, everybody says compression, what that much compression would be for?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teoman Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 No idea what compression ratio they are usually using, but I guess they use high end tube compressors. They are wealthy musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nat whilk II Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 I went to see Ulrich Schnauss play live a few weeks ago. Maybe some of you have heard of him... He's all electronic, but puts on zero of a show in terms of circus tactics. No helmets, minimal lighting effects, no flashy racks of mysterious gear, etc. Just him, sitting at a laptop on stage. He hit a keyboard a few times, but mostly turned a few knobs on a knobby controller and messed with his mouse. But here's the deal - his music is great I think, and the kids in the crowd also were totally into it. It was a memorable "concert" as he ran through remixes of material I was already familiar with, or he "played" new material. This is the way it is - kids are comfortable with not only "just DJs" up front, but with even less, someone twiddling Ableton or something like, sitting in a chair. I do think his live gig would be better if served up with some movement, some performance aspect, some drama, etc. But it is what it is, and the kids don't seem to mind. Maybe if instruments were visibly played it would be better, but what it was wasn't "bad" at all. Why do folks of a certain age get so worked up about this? nat whilk ii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundwave106 Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 Hey, everybody says compression, what that much compression would be for?.... Some dance artists (including Daft Punk, not on every song though) exploit the compression "pumping" effect. Pumping occurs when the release on your compression is too high, and you hear the signals fade up from the compressed level to the normal level. For Daft Punk style pumping (as I know it), your bass drum kick is recorded at a level higher than the overall track (those who have played with analog kicks know this is relatively easy to do, especially if you avoid in-track compressors ). The deliberate "pumping" compressor is probably performed on the final mix. High end tube compressors? I bet their compressors are computer based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 Why do folks of a certain age get so worked up about this? it's mostly the hype i object too. today's alternative or underground music is bent on the image of music and has nothing to do actually being music in the traditional sense. which is quite suitable for today's myspace generation that can't look beyond skin deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orangefunk Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 One of my buddies did a tour supporting Daft Punk throughout Japan. He told me they only do a little interaction... but he said he is a big fan of them and what they are planning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 it involves rigging up some sort of window shop dummies sort of like in home alone so they can sit in france and control everything over the internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 No idea what compression ratio they are usually using http://www.empiricallabs.com/distdes.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 it's mostly the hype i object too. today's alternative or underground music is bent on the image of music and has nothing to do actually being music in the traditional sense. which is quite suitable for today's myspace generation that can't look beyond skin deep. I agree, although I'd say that "flash over substance" certainly isn't new with this current generation. It does seem to me, though, that it's becoming more prevalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orangefunk Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 hell guys.. its throwaway pop music... and its pretty nice to hear in a club... its not meant to be art... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AfroRouge Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 has nothing to do actually being music in the traditional sense Oh noes! Someone has declared that electronic music isn't music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vwizz Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 Also, these guys are far worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCbAgTxrQ0w Goblins rule! I loved their 70s soundtracks like Profondo Rosso or Suspiria... Great musicians, great music! V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Acid Hazard Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 Goblins rule! I loved their 70s soundtracks like Profondo Rosso or Suspiria... Great musicians, great music! V That song is from Dario Argento's Tenebrea. Great movie! I'm sure Justice did that song no, well, justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundwave106 Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 Oh noes! Someone has declared that electronic music isn't music! Heh. Music is whatever you want it to be. As far as composition skills go, though (melodies and songwriting etc.), Ulrich Schnauss > Daft Punk. Whether that matters to you, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 being music in the traditional sense. Every time someone says "that's not music", what they mean is "I don't like that music". It's still music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bloopbleep Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 I noticed more and more electronic acts' live set are typically a keyboard and a couple laptops atop. Their hands are typically up by the laptops then play a few lead lines here and there. The only real performer is the front man with his mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members xpander Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 I noticed more and more electronic acts' live set are typically a keyboard and a couple laptops atop. Their hands are typically up by the laptops then play a few lead lines here and there. The only real performer is the front man with his mic don't forget the MacBook/MacBook Pro- they've become the lead performers in shows i've seen lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 Every time someone says "that's not music", what they mean is "I don't like that music".It's still music! im not saying that at all, i'm trying to extrapolate one step outwards and express my displeasure at this new sort of phenomenon of simply being "famous for being famous" as applied towards music. You have to admit the novelty and image aspects of music have come to surpass the sincerity. You could always argue that is always the case, but I dont think it's always been true of home grown, underground type music whereas previously I think they've always coexisted quite nicely. usually it's not something i worry about.. sure times change, but i've posted another post in the "why so cranky" thing that may explain things a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vwizz Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 Anyway, wether you like it or not, you cannot say that Daft Punk were not sonically creative. I say "were" because they got famous in 97, that's already 11 years ago... And back then, their sound was quite fresh. In 2001, Discovery was playing everywhere... I personnaly love this album (and the interstella 5555 cartoon To me, they have a great sense of arrangement and sonic balance. It's not a problem to me that the heart of their tunes is tweaked samples... They are(were) still creative on top of it.. And , by the way, they are real musicians, even if they were not really successfull beginning of the 90's... As for Live shows, it's hard to say: they do have a great show, great vibes, even if they don't play. Though i'll always prefer real musicians performing rather than laptop/tweaking acts.. On the other hand I've seen great skilled musicans perform in shows where, in the end, the music was not that great and I couldn't really get into any groove So, what to choose??? A Horowitz with bad music, or a DJ with good vibes? V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted September 5, 2008 Members Share Posted September 5, 2008 and express my displeasure at this new sort of phenomenon of simply being "famous for being famous" as applied towards music. You know how they made their older albums, right? It makes far more sense (well - relatively speaking) to express your displeasure at manufactured boy/girl-bands or Disney/American Idol instacelebrities - DP knows how to work an actual 909. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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