Members THAT4301 Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 if we only use a small percentage of our brains... Well that's complete and utter bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THAT4301 Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Well most people aren't deliberately wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan. Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 I can propogate any myths I damn well please. Plus you can't prove what a human could or could not do while using the entire brain in one function. Also, I know you're just an alt of Melx, he told me so. So shut up, Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 26, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Why? Helen Keller was blind and deaf and yet could communicate with sign language. If the brothers can still feel things they should be able to communicate with sign language. As Paulz mentioned, it would have to be tactile sign language like braille, and would need referential cues over time to develop. But sure, not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 26, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 part libertarian uber-capitalist god fantasy Yes, Kurzweil certainly sounds more optimistic than I am comfortable with. We think we have privacy issues now. Holy hard drive Batman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 26, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 http://andrewhickey.info/2010/08/30/geeks-dig-metaphors-introduction/http://andrewhickey.info/2010/08/30/geeks-dig-metaphors-the-technical-problems-with-the-singularity/http://andrewhickey.info/2010/08/30/geeks-dig-metaphors-the-politics-of-the-singularity/http://andrewhickey.info/2010/08/30/geeks-dig-metaphors-paradigm-a-dozen/ I will check these out later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 26, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 whats the answer to the riddle, cause i'm boredor is it that they reach their own singularity... just after time of sitting in a room the guy with sight watches the hearing brother walk over to the phone, which peaks his interest, so he picks it up while dragging mr mouth over... smashes the mouth man on the forehead with it making him scream into the phone and ta da... rescue. There is no definite answer. I made up this riddle yesterday while trying to think of an analogy to the concept of reaching for the singularity. So your answer is as plausible as any. My thinking is that no single company or scientist will be able to reach it alone, and the process leading up to the singularity will likely be excruciatingly painful, and will bring our very moral fibre into question. Yet, if we dont reach it, our extinction will seem tangible. Therefore, the singularity will almost be inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Yes, Kurzweil certainly sounds more optimistic than I am comfortable with. We think we have privacy issues now. Holy hard drive Batman! The interesting thing to me is that his ideology exists in a vacuum which nearly completely disregards the reality and fact that almost ALL of our exponential progress has also required exponential energy input. It borders on the same logical fallacy that economists subscribe to; that finance creates wealth, when anybody with eyes can see that the flow of capital is just a metaphor for the flow of resources. All unsustainable growth is fictitious, but people in camp Kurzweil when faced with this fact generally just resort to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Persistence sounds cool. It won the hugo and the nebula for a reason I suppose !!! I think the sprawl trilogy (neruomancer, count zero, mona lisa OD) is still relevant, esp if you are looking to the "mid future", and it does look into independent AI - but I'd suggest reading them as a trilogy. Gibson is sort of a trilogy guy. He has moved on to post-cyberpunk which, interestingly, has brought him closer and into near-future-to-present stuff. Which isn't necessarily a "break" from cyberpunk -- but in a way may be a little more like an explanatory vector of the more abstract mid-future from his cyberpunk days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Larry Niven had a funny riff on the "runaway AI" in one of his Draco Tavern stories - this advanced race sells an earth guy plans for a super computer that is basically a "technology singularity engine" type of computer that amasses "intelligence" in that sort of manner Well, they are genuine plans, but the practical effect is that it works for a little bit, then becomes uncommunicative, then shuts itself off - which is why the race that sold the human the plans stopped building them -- they'd always just do that, basically become autistic (the whole "makers become irrelevant" riff taken to a comic extreme) then reach a terminal state -- I suppose it ties into the idea of a physical 0 dimension singularity (a "black hole" style point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members H.R. Shove and Stuff Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Geez and I thought the only thing I had to worry about was if reverb went into trem or vice versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Snufkino Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 There is no definite answer. I made up this riddle yesterday while trying to think of an analogy to the concept of reaching for the singularity. So your answer is as plausible as any. I don't know whether to lol, mad, and/or cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 I assumed that you were talking about a kind of Gattaca scenario where only the rich could genetically or technologically have access to perfect vision. Oddly this isn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sad Darwin Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 I never finished reading Neuromancer, and really should, though it's a bit outdated now. I love the first Ghost In The Shell movie, but never saw Stand Alone Complex. I'll have to check that out too. "Ghost in the Shell" is an excellent series that integrates a ton of these concepts. Don't forget "Lane" as well. It's an anime series that deals with the topic of the internet from the lens of Carl Jung's collective unconscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Will Chen Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 I've alwasy wanted to be a female rock star...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cc8ybRrSWA#t=05m11s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t-rey Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Addressing the riddle - I think that the brother with sight is most likely to lead to their escape. At some point he is going to notice a phone in the room, and observe that one of his brothers appears to be yelling for help (which I assume would happen for awhile). He would likely try to move his brother toward the phone to see if someone hears his cries for help. If his brother has stopped yelling, it isn't hard to imagine that he would eventually get his brother near the phone and make him yell through prompting or physical harm in an effort to get help. And another thing - we do use all of our brains. It's just impossible to use it all at once on one particular function since each part of the brain serves a different purpose. The 10% myth comes from the fact that we are not using all of our brain all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 26, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 it isn't hard to imagine that he would eventually get his brother near the phone and make him yell through prompting or physical harm in an effort to get help. ...and would you not hesitate to do this to your own brother not really knowing if your hypothesis is correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 26, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 I've alwasy wanted to be a female rock star... LOL That is going to resonate through and color my whole experience of reading this book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 27, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 27, 2011 paranoid Speaking of, I think this word will pretty well sum up the whole experience leading up to the singularity. Imagine a world not too far from now where we no longer have personal devices that video and audio record our lives, or communicate to each other with. Rather, it will all be extremely transparent and inconspicuous, with nanotube-fast processing, and able to store immense information in something the size of a compound. Would you run around all day recording your life through your own eyes and ears so you could relive any given second simply by recalling the moment through a voice trigger? I know I would. But what about all the conversations you have with people all day long, all the gossip, all the indiscretions, and the glances you made at some girl's booty, etc. etc.? Would you share all that data with others? Would you want it to be public? Why not? Do you have something to hide? Is not sharing your data feed a form of indictment? So you have an interview for a new job tomorrow with a highly competitive salary and a position of power? Do you think any of your data was leaked? Forget about a resume. Why would anyone need one? With a simple voice trigger, the interviewer has already done a face recognition recall of all of your data, and knows the juiciest bits within a second. Don't bother having a seat, I know where you've been. Next please. How would this future change the social fabric of our world? How will it change our conversations with people? By the way, when will all of my HCFX posts come back to haunt me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 27, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 27, 2011 Oh yeah, and this http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20029593-17.html And don't bother deleting your accounts. It's all archived on their servers, and we gave them license to use all of it when we clicked I Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t-rey Posted January 27, 2011 Members Share Posted January 27, 2011 ...and would you not hesitate to do this to your own brother not really knowing if your hypothesis is correct? Not physical harm in severe and/or permanent damage - I don't know that I would be capable of inflicting that kind of pain on someone I love based entirely on an assumption. I was thinking more along the lines of a kick to the shin, slap to the back of the head, or something along those lines to get him to make some sort of noise into the phone. Of course I'm an only child, so I will never know for certain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted January 27, 2011 Members Share Posted January 27, 2011 ...and would you not hesitate to do this to your own brother not really knowing if your hypothesis is correct? Do you have a brother? I have an older one and I'd say it pretty much describes our lifestyle from oh...4 to 20 or so Though the question of the hypo usually was "would it amuse me to make him scream?" -- there is strong empirical evidence for "Yes, yes it would amuse me to make him scream" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted January 27, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 27, 2011 Not physical harm in severe and/or permanent damage - I don't know that I would be capable of inflicting that kind of pain on someone I love based entirely on an assumption. I was thinking more along the lines of a kick to the shin, slap to the back of the head, or something along those lines to get him to make some sort of noise into the phone. Of course I'm an only child, so I will never know for certain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EL KABONG Posted January 28, 2011 Members Share Posted January 28, 2011 umm remote viewing. that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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