Members Ke^in Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by xgxmanx Ummm... it's new Marshall product... sounds par for the course to me...buy engl and be saved FUD Originally posted by pureanalog The amp is fine according to him. He made it sound good. How? Used completely different setting from the ones I normally use. He cranked the thing to the end.... Now, I am betting he knows how to play really well too. Lots of people think amps sound bad, and it's not the amp. Not saying this is the case with you. BTW get new Tubes. The kind that usually come with stock amps stink. Originally posted by Mister2 Hi,Absolutely nothing improves your tone better than practice !! and its free !! Bing! This man is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocky-rabbit Posted August 9, 2006 Members Share Posted August 9, 2006 People who have brought a marshall jcm 2000 dsl 401, may have been pissed off with it !!! so was i !!!! after some research i found that : changing the preamp tubes to some with a bit lower gain ,like i brought GE 5751 or the JJ ecc803, will make the overdriven sound lot sweeter. or can mix JJ ecc83 and JJ ecc803 so the bass remains tight. for best results change all 4 of them with nos tubes. aslo replace the crappy el84 tube in it. JJ 's fit inside are cheap and will do the job, some el84 dont fit in the sockets !!!! must rebias but not too high; try around .800 mv. marshall says at 1.345 mv which is too high and may burn out tubes soon. finally replace the crappy speaker with an celestion vintage 30. after all this you will get the sweet marshall overdriven tone. hope to all good luck !!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pete Posted August 9, 2006 Members Share Posted August 9, 2006 Am i the only one that noticed the el84's? Drop in el34's, they have the classic rock type of sound and should help out there. I tried the dsl50 before i bought my legacy, the new marshall just didn't do it for me and my 79' JMP sounded way better than the dsl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SkidMarx Posted August 9, 2006 Members Share Posted August 9, 2006 Originally posted by pureanalog Hi folks.Today I received by UPS a Marshall DSL201 20 Watt all tube amp. 4 12ax7 preamp tubes and 2 EL84The amp sounds well when played at the clean channel with the clean channel gain control under 4-5 and master volume at moderate to quite loud levels. When gain is turned up or when I switch to the dirty channel I get this nasty distortion. Not the kind of distortion one wants but rather a buzzy and fuzzy distortion like the speaker has a problem or something. But no it is not the speaker.I did this test. I hooked up the PODxt to the Effects return input and used the POD as a pre-amp. Everything sounded pretty fine. So the problem must be somewhere in the pre-amp section right??I swapped the pre-amp tubes positions with one another and nothing changed.I emailed the guy who sold the amp to me and he claims that the amp was working fine before he sent it.I also noticed that the REVERB has an effect on this problem. When turned up its nastier. But it doesnt change anything drastically though. This buzzy distortion makes the amp unusable. Any ideas or suggestions? the DLS combo's are not very good. Nothing like the heads. Not even close. If you expected to get DSL50 tone oput of that amp, it an't happening no matter what tubes you use. The DSL 20 is in the Peavey practice amp market. You got what you paid for. I think your expectations were too high on this amp. For the same money(or less) you could have bought a Peavey Classic 30. A far superior amp, IMO. Or even go for the Calssic 30 head, although you'll need a cab too. IMO there are much better choices in that price range than the DSL20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SkidMarx Posted August 9, 2006 Members Share Posted August 9, 2006 Originally posted by Pete Am i the only one that noticed the el84's? Drop in el34's, they have the classic rock type of sound and should help out there. I tried the dsl50 before i bought my legacy, the new marshall just didn't do it for me and my 79' JMP sounded way better than the dsl. nope, you can't use EL34's in a DSL20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SkidMarx Posted August 9, 2006 Members Share Posted August 9, 2006 Originally posted by pureanalog the thing is only at clean channel with gain turned up high and the dirty channel. normal cleans seem to work sweet. The distortion has the problem. STill havent figured out what it is... perhaps it's the speaker? Try unplugging the speaker in the combo and plug into a cab and se if it goes away. Could have a blown speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SkidMarx Posted August 9, 2006 Members Share Posted August 9, 2006 Originally posted by DeadNight Warrior Not really, unless it's an active EQ. With a passive EQ section like on most amps, the controls only subtract, not add. As far as I know... this is true, passive eq's only cut frequencies, they cannot boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JohnH Posted December 8, 2006 Members Share Posted December 8, 2006 On DSL combos, there's so many factors that can change the tone that Its easy to find a good tone one day and a bad one the next. The clean channel is pretty good, but the OD channels have a tensdency to thinness. Heres what I find helps on my DSL401: The stock apeaker needs to break in, after which it improves, but... Change it to a Vintage 30 - its a night-and-day differnce and improvement in overall and low-end tone. The OD is voiced to make screaming leads with heavy bass de-emphasis. It sounds much better loud than quiet. But when more low end is needed, an EQ box in the FX loop, set to feed in pure bass, helps alot. Try overdriving the clean channel, great crunch tones are available by pushing the front end with a booster, with bass trimmed a bit I'm still on stock tubes, and every day i get happier with my sound. When it comes time, a set of JJ's will go in. cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocky-rabbit Posted January 5, 2007 Members Share Posted January 5, 2007 I agree with the change of the stock speaker but also the crap ecc83 tubes need to be changed for sure. i switched to sylvania 5751 nos tubes; these are a bit underpowered (same perhaps like the ecc82 or the 12at7 im not sure about these) but the idea is to get a bit less gain in the pregain section therefore the sound gets thicker in the od's. Definately there is a big change in the sound !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pureanalog Posted January 1, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 1, 2008 Just to let you know: After a while and many gigs I tried out the following. -Changed the preamp tubes and the cleans improved a lot. Changed the power tubes too. -Changed the stock speaker to V30. Cleans improved DRAMATICALLY and so did the dirty tones but the volume became ear bleeding. More than double. The cabinet of the combo could not handle it properly without rattling. Too loud for what I needed. And it was too trebly when cranked. -Pedals like the MT-2 sounded better through a valvestate than the DSL. After a while I bought a Silver Jubilee 1988 combo 2554 50W and now I hear the good old Marshall tone I was missing with the DSL. I kept both amps for a while and the DSL201 was definitely more versatile (two true channels) and more playable at reasonable levels. Anyhow there is absolutely no comparison in any department. Besides the cleans and the low volume playability the DSL201 is a much-much inferior amp to the silver jubilee. Still I am yearning for a plexi, perhaps to replace the silver jubilee combo or keep both. The Jub needs a second amp for the cleans to be giggable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members laurens Posted January 1, 2008 Members Share Posted January 1, 2008 Just to let you know:-Pedals like the MT-2 sounded better through a valvestate than the DSL.. Yes and do you know why? I don't want to be arrogant here, but that pedal is not right for a tube amp like the DSL. The valvestate is a solid state amp where you may use it on (not my preference, but I'll leave that for now). Using a MT-2 on all these amps will not give you a good Marshall tone but also not a good basis for comparision. Odd, because reading your post you do know your {censored} about changing tubes and speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdgeOfDarkness Posted January 1, 2008 Members Share Posted January 1, 2008 Just to let you know:After a while and many gigs I tried out the following.-Changed the preamp tubes and the cleans improved a lot. Changed the power tubes too.-Changed the stock speaker to V30. Cleans improved DRAMATICALLY and so did the dirty tones but the volume became ear bleeding. More than double. The cabinet of the combo could not handle it properly without rattling. Too loud for what I needed. And it was too trebly when cranked.-Pedals like the MT-2 sounded better through a valvestate than the DSL.After a while I bought a Silver Jubilee 1988 combo 2554 50W and now I hear the good old Marshall tone I was missing with the DSL. I kept both amps for a while and the DSL201 was definitely more versatile (two true channels) and more playable at reasonable levels. Anyhow there is absolutely no comparison in any department. Besides the cleans and the low volume playability the DSL201 is a much-much inferior amp to the silver jubilee. Still I am yearning for a plexi, perhaps to replace the silver jubilee combo or keep both. The Jub needs a second amp for the cleans to be giggable. Holy waking a dead thread batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted January 1, 2008 Members Share Posted January 1, 2008 Yeah, this is pretty old. Those DSL combos dont get much love. Id rather have a head and 212 cab... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pureanalog Posted January 1, 2008 Author Members Share Posted January 1, 2008 You misunderstood me. This was just a simple observation about the heavy distortion pedals. Simply that some of them sound better with a SS amp as basis. Mostly I just use my guitar an amp and a cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted April 8, 2020 Members Share Posted April 8, 2020 Anyone else have buzzy distortion from a DSL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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