Members draelyc Posted September 3, 2005 Members Share Posted September 3, 2005 Originally posted by chuckgp What good is God if he's helpless to help the needy?We must help ourselves, as we've always had to do.I do not have a dualistic good/evil belief system.In short,Guess there's a few sparrows he forgot about, doesn't care about, or is too much of a weakling to do anything about.Maybe he's just too busy.All is vanity. With all due respect, Chuck, I think you may be missing the point of rejecting dualism . . . In my view, the All is One, and the One is "good", for want of a better term. If there really is Divinity, and if it really is only an illusion that we are all "separate" consciousnesses but in fact there is only One Consciousness, then there can be no part of existence that said Divinity has "forgotten" about . . . Fwiw, I'm convinced of the absolute efficiency of Deity -- which means to me that nothing happens needlessly or without purpose. Now, don't misread that -- I am not saying, nor will I ever believe, that the people hit by Katrina "deserved" some divine punishment; that ain't how it works, imo. But I certainly don't believe this or anything else is some kind of divine "oversight" or the result of divine "apathy" or "impotence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gdb53 Posted September 3, 2005 Members Share Posted September 3, 2005 Originally posted by chuckgp What good is God if he's helpless to help the needy?We must help ourselves, as we've always had to do.I do not have a dualistic good/evil belief system.In short,Guess there's a few sparrows he forgot about, doesn't care about, or is too much of a weakling to do anything about.Maybe he's just too busy.All is vanity. Personally, I don't think the point of God is to help us- to me that seems like a very self-centred and unhealthy way to view things. I think He expects us to help ourselves, and gives us the choice of whether we do or not- that we often choose not to reflects poorly on humankind's fallen nature and not on God. As for natural disasters- 'acts of God', if you will- I think they are just part and parcel of the world we have been given to live in. Modern science continues to give us insight into the incredible complexity of nature, and I'm willing to bet that you couldn't just eliminate hurricanes, or earthquakes, or anything else for that matter, without messing up the entire system. I think it's a bit like the food chain- remove one link and you screw up the whole thing. We can't have our cake and eat it too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted September 3, 2005 Members Share Posted September 3, 2005 Originally posted by draelyc With all due respect, Chuck, I think you may be missing the point of rejecting dualism . . . In my view, the All is One, and the One is "good", for want of a better term.If there really is Divinity, and if it really is only an illusion that we are all "separate" consciousnesses but in fact there is only One Consciousness, then there can be no part of existence that said Divinity has "forgotten" about . . .Fwiw, I'm convinced of the absolute efficiency of Deity -- which means to me that nothing happens needlessly or without purpose. Now, don't misread that -- I am not saying, nor will I ever believe, that the people hit by Katrina "deserved" some divine punishment; that ain't how it works, imo. But I certainly don't believe this or anything else is some kind of divine "oversight" or the result of divine "apathy" or "impotence." Literalism is bull{censored}, what a great time for us all to finally realize that. 'Why does it happen? Because it happens.Roll the bones' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted September 3, 2005 Members Share Posted September 3, 2005 Originally posted by gdb53 Personally, I don't think the point of God is to help us- to me that seems like a very self-centred and unhealthy way to view things. I think He expects us to help ourselves, and gives us the choice of whether we do or not- that we often choose not to reflects poorly on humankind's fallen nature and not on God.As for natural disasters- 'acts of God', if you will- I think they are just part and parcel of the world we have been given to live in. Modern science continues to give us insight into the incredible complexity of nature, and I'm willing to bet that you couldn't just eliminate hurricanes, or earthquakes, or anything else for that matter, without messing up the entire system. I think it's a bit like the food chain- remove one link and you screw up the whole thing.We can't have our cake and eat it too... Certainly, you have a refreshing POV for a Literalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gdb53 Posted September 3, 2005 Members Share Posted September 3, 2005 Originally posted by chuckgp Certainly, you have a refreshing POV for a Literalist. I'll take that as a compliment... I think. What were you expecting me to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted September 3, 2005 Members Share Posted September 3, 2005 Originally posted by gdb53 I'll take that as a compliment... I think. What were you expecting me to say? I try not to harbor expectations, they always lead to dissapointment, IMHO.I don't blame God for disasters, but I question the belief that some higher being is in control of all this. There is no personality or being 'out there'.And I was hoping to hear from some of the 'traditional' literalists,not just the enlightened ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gdb53 Posted September 3, 2005 Members Share Posted September 3, 2005 Originally posted by chuckgp I try not to harbor expectations, they always lead to dissapointment, IMHO. I don't blame God for disasters, but I question the belief that some higher being is in control of all this. There is no personality or being 'out there'. And I was hoping to hear from some of the 'traditional' literalists, not just the enlightened ones. Better look out, or the next hurricane will be directed your way.....SMITE HIM!! is that more what you were looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chuckgp Posted September 3, 2005 Members Share Posted September 3, 2005 Originally posted by gdb53 Better look out, or the next hurricane will be directed your way..... SMITE HIM!! is that more what you were looking for? haha! Send one! they bring us cooling rain and clouds in this hellhole midwestern area.We had 3-1/2 inch hail this spring, missed me! And a tornado would be more appropriate.I don't think KATRINA was sent against the people down there, she was sent against BUSH THE LITERALIST!!Do your damndest!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Armitage Posted September 18, 2005 Members Share Posted September 18, 2005 I love this, I wish I wrote it. Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them. a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die? i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members ChEifR0bz Posted June 26, 2008 Members Share Posted June 26, 2008 But I don't believe in God. Umm, that cannot be possible to accept his teachings and not believe in God. Since Jesus is God (God is in three persons; the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), then you say that you don't believe in Jesus. And most of his teachings directly relate to the worship of the Father (God).You either do believe in Jesus/The Father/Holy Spirit, or you don't. You cannot just believe in one; you have to follow all three. There is no in-betweens. If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in His word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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