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I'm thinking about selling my dual rect. and buying a Diezel.

 

Anyone wanna talk me out of it? I hate the clean ch. on my dual rect. and like the heavy sound (clips I've heard) on the VH4. I've never played a diezel, but heard it smokes my amp.

 

Anyone here play both amps and want to break down the sound differences?

 

 

Thanks for your time!

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I'd take a VH4 over any Boogie any day. Much more flexibility, and the high gain channels are better as well. CH4 is like Rectifier on crack, but not so nasal and compressed, more natural. CH3 is like VH brown sound. They actually have it designed so at low volume it has less bite but when you crank it up it gets bitier but not so much that it gets that harsh upper mid thing that Marshalls can get. CH is like a blackface, clean quality as good as any fender, and 2 is more like Stones, to early AC/CD. You can go from Fendery Clean to Tool in one click and everything in between with one amp. Boogie def doesn't have that flexibility. Most amps that have great hi gain have crappy or compromised clean (VHT, Marshall, Boogie, Bogner, etc.)

This is the only one that I've heard that can do both great without compromising the other.

Hard to get this amp to sound bad on any setting. I like to use with Bogner cabs. On the down side it is heavy. I pulled my back a couple of times luggin it. Almost 70 LBS. But, no pain no "gain". I crack myself up.

 

If you wanna actually hear what I'm talkin bout, my latest CD is pretty much all Diezel VH-4 if you wanna get a sample of what it can do.

You can check out some clips on here http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/daveblair . All done with Bogner 2x12 and miked with Senheiser 906 or Shure 57. Used mainly 4 different guitars Tom Anderson Cobra, EJ Strat, and Luke II, and a hand made custom Tele. Any questions on the sounds I got feel free to ask.

 

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/daveblair

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I'd take a VH4 over any Boogie any day. Much more flexibility, and the high gain channels are better as well. CH4 is like Rectifier on crack, but not so nasal and compressed, more natural. CH3 is like VH brown sound. They actually have it designed so at low volume it has less bite but when you crank it up it gets bitier but not so much that it gets that harsh upper mid thing that Marshalls can get. CH is like a blackface, clean quality as good as any fender, and 2 is more like Stones, to early AC/CD. You can go from Fendery Clean to Tool in one click and everything in between with one amp. Boogie def doesn't have that flexibility. Most amps that have great hi gain have crappy or compromised clean (VHT, Marshall, Boogie, Bogner, etc.)

This is the only one that I've heard that can do both great without compromising the other.

Hard to get this amp to sound bad on any setting. I like to use with Bogner cabs. On the down side it is heavy. I pulled my back a couple of times luggin it. Almost 70 LBS. But, no pain no "gain". I crack myself up.


If you wanna actually hear what I'm talkin bout, my latest CD is pretty much all Diezel VH-4 if you wanna get a sample of what it can do.

You can check out some clips on here
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/daveblair
. All done with Bogner 2x12 and miked with Senheiser 906 or Shure 57. Used mainly 4 different guitars Tom Anderson Cobra, EJ Strat, and Luke II, and a hand made custom Tele. Any questions on the sounds I got feel free to ask.


http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/daveblair

 

Yeah no offense but I just checked out the previews for your CD... I don't think the tones on there are going to convince anyone that they want anything you are using. Just saying. :wave:

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I looked into buying a Diezel VH-4 for recording purposes a few years back when I was looking for Recto-ish type tones. I intended to keep my Triple Recto, and add another amp to the family. Even though the VH-4 had the Recto-type tones, and a very usable clean, I couldn't justify buying the VH-4, and I had more appreciation for my Recto and the way I have it dialed in. On the Recto, you may not be able to get the clarity of the cleans with high volume like the VH-4 can, but the output control on the guitar works wonders for cleaning up a Recto, even on the Modern setting. IMHO...

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Make sure you try it first. I loved the vh4 at first but just couldnt jive with its voicing and dry tone for high gain stuff. The rectifier is one pissed off sounding amp. The vh4 was just too clear sounding for me. I prefer the saturation of the rectifier.

 

I do love the herbert though but just cant justify paying that kind of loot.

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I'd take a VH4 over any Boogie any day. Much more flexibility, and the high gain channels are better as well. CH4 is like Rectifier on crack, but not so nasal and compressed, more natural. CH3 is like VH brown sound. They actually have it designed so at low volume it has less bite but when you crank it up it gets bitier but not so much that it gets that harsh upper mid thing that Marshalls can get. CH is like a blackface, clean quality as good as any fender, and 2 is more like Stones, to early AC/CD. You can go from Fendery Clean to Tool in one click and everything in between with one amp. Boogie def doesn't have that flexibility. Most amps that have great hi gain have crappy or compromised clean (VHT, Marshall, Boogie, Bogner, etc.)

This is the only one that I've heard that can do both great without compromising the other.

Hard to get this amp to sound bad on any setting. I like to use with Bogner cabs. On the down side it is heavy. I pulled my back a couple of times luggin it. Almost 70 LBS. But, no pain no "gain". I crack myself up.


If you wanna actually hear what I'm talkin bout, my latest CD is pretty much all Diezel VH-4 if you wanna get a sample of what it can do.

You can check out some clips on here
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/daveblair
. All done with Bogner 2x12 and miked with Senheiser 906 or Shure 57. Used mainly 4 different guitars Tom Anderson Cobra, EJ Strat, and Luke II, and a hand made custom Tele. Any questions on the sounds I got feel free to ask.


http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/daveblair

 

 

Did you dig up this thread just so you can spam your cd? :bor:

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i just got rid of a herbert and a vh4. i tried but im not a diezel guy. but i did like the herbert better than the vh4.

 

THIS by a mile.

 

The VH4 wasn't a bad amp but it just didn't have any "mojo" so to speak. The herbert didn't have a hell of a lot either but I will admit that I didn't get as much time to spend with the herbert than I did with the VH4.

 

Both of them came across as cold calculating machines and no part of their sound inspired me to keep playing.

 

Against all common HCAF wisdom though, I absolutely loved the powerball that was next to them.

 

 

EIDT: ZOMG hilarious necro bump! :lol:

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1. Put the zombie through a wood chipper. This is one of the most brutal zombie kills that you can do and will be great fun. I recommend getting a friend to help you with this because you'll need to literally feed the zombie into the wood chipper. What you'll do is incapacitate it and then lift it up and put it through the wood chipper feet first. There's not much else to be said about this method other than that it's awesome.

 

 

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2327370/how_to_kill_a_zombie_ten_best_ways_pg3.html?cat=2

 

It's not just an article, it's a survival guide.

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Thats like comparing a Jeep with a Hummer, man.


Of course the Diezel is better. GET IT!


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I wouldn't go that far. The Rectifiers have been proven to be killer amps. The Diezels are killer also but both have their own unique characteristics.

 

I had Diezel GAS for a long time but after playing a few I realized that I wouldn't be happy in the long run with owning one. I've owned my Trem-o-verb for many many years now and it has never got boring to me. I was ready to trade if off to fund a Diezel but realized I like my Trem-o-verb much better.

 

Just because the Diezels are HIGH PRICED boutique amps don't mean you will love them over something else.

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